Looking for a stack

Re: Looking for a stack

Good advice. Nobody needs a stack. Half stacks are ok, but seriously...

I have a 50 watt Marshall dsl50 head and 1960a cab. The main venue I play is over 400 people...I hardly think you need a half stack. Think of how hard it is to transport a 4x12 cab by itself! You NEED two people to carry it up/down stairs and stuff. Plus, the head isnt exactly light. Dont forget your other equipment, guitars, cables, pedals, etc.

Get a 2x12" combo and do yourself a favor. I hardly think your gigging more than 100 people...

You are 17, and therefore cannot even enter a bar...at least where I am. Maybe save up for a good guitar?

after all this advice...you are probably just going to go to a music store, and rely on what the sales people tell you anyway...
almost nothing people say here really matters in reality when making gear purchases. The reality is you are going to go to a music store, and buy the amp you like. Its much better to try them out in real life

Ok. Story time.

I was at a punk show last night, probably around 100 people there. Every band's guitarist used a half stack. One band the guitarist had a Mesa triple rectifier and a Gibson Nighthawk. The guitarist said he had it set on 6. It was LOUD!! Not too loud for the venue, but it certain filled the whole room and wasn't mic'd. The crappy thing was, the guitarist had a HORRIBLE tone. Picture a pushed tube amp, tons of distortion, no treble, cranked bass and mids using a humbucker with the tone rolled way down. I could even stand hearing it, I had to go outside.

Btw, this show, was at a bar. Though I may be 17 I'm allowed into a bar, however I may not purchase or consume alcohol. As for a good guitar, I have two, and for now I'm more than content with them. My amp however, is crap. I'll keep it even when I buy a half stack, as it is useful for playing in my house. However for rehearsals and gigs I need more volume and MUCH better amp tone.

My first plan is to look online and buy something used. Part of this thread is to see which of these amps are reliable and have good tone. I'm not looking for people to go "you don't need a stack, you need a 2x12 combo". If I needed a 2x12 combo, I'd be looking for one. I'm looking for a half stack, one that will last me a decade and give me the tones I want and the volume I need. If and when I do step into a music store I will do so with my guitar, ask to try the amps and cabs I'm looking for and buy the one that satisfies my tastes and budget.

When I bought my Squier the *******, know-it-all-suaver-than-thou sales man approached me with a diahrea smile asking if he could help me. I told him I was learning guitar for 6 months on a classical and was looking to buy an eletric. I told him I wanted a Stratocaster. He suggested to me a Peavey as it was "a good student's guitar". I told him I wasn't taking lessons and Peavey didn't make Strats. I saw a black Squier Affinity Strat, asked to try it, looked over the body, played it acoustic, plugged in and as soon as I did he threw on the gain. I threw the gain back off and told him I would approach him when I needed him. I played it clean, then distorted, and fell in love with everything about the guitar. I asked to purchase the pack that came with and I've owned the guitar ever since. Turned out the one that came in the pack was much better quality than the in-store one I tried. Moral of the story: I don't listen to salesmen.
 
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I am sorry to say this but as far as mismatching cabs, well, for punk you don't need a great cab that gives major "vocality" on single notes, you just need a cab that holds well when you blast the double stops and power chords. So for punk you don't need Bogner, Orange, Mesa cab. So you could save a little on a a cab. Once again avatar or something that is good quality but very affordable. Once you wanna bust out covers of 70s Scorpions, Zepplin, Hendrix, RR Ozzy, than its time for an intense cab.
 
Re: Looking for a stack

I am sorry to say this but as far as mismatching cabs, well, for punk you don't need a great cab that gives major "vocality" on single notes, you just need a cab that holds well when you blast the double stops and power chords. So for punk you don't need Bogner, Orange, Mesa cab. So you could save a little on a a cab. Once again avatar or something that is good quality but very affordable. Once you wanna bust out covers of 70s Scorpions, Zepplin, Hendrix, RR Ozzy, than its time for an intense cab.

I think that is one of the biggest mis-conceptions of punk. Yes, I need something that give guts to my power chords and mutes. However, I also need something that let's my ska chords sing. I also play open chords, even in punk, so I need those to be clear and defined even when distorted. I also play blues and when jamming with friends I want something that cuts over the drums and works for that. Oh and don't forget when I'm jamming with some other friends we cover U2, Foo Fighters, Beatles, Hendrix. I need flexibility, and something that I can work with if my playing tastes change. Oh I also play some metal like SOAD, Mudvayne occasionally, and just metal riffs I think up.
 
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No problem with mismatching heads and cabs, dude. My Bassman is plugged into a Sunn 4x12. I know dudes like Gearjoneser will say that it's always best to plug your head into the cab that matches it, but it's not impossible to sound good otherwise. Once you know what sounds good and what doesn't (and your ear helps a lot with that) it's easy to make a mismatched rig for cheap...

When are you planning on getting this thing dude? I'm gettin anxious to see what you end up with ha.

-X
 
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bump. Keep the suggestions/opinions coming. Does anyone think that mis-matching brands between heads is cabs is good or bad? Curious to what everyone thinks.



ABSOULTLY HORRIBLY BAD.







Not only will you get nothing in the 'tone' department from mismatching brands but it'll start to affect the Earths rotation.









Heed the warning.






Don't mismatch head/cab brands.









You'll bring about arrmageddon...end of days.




Four horsemen & the Apocolypse....






Bad BAD juju.












Peace.
 
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I think that is one of the biggest mis-conceptions of punk. Yes, I need something that give guts to my power chords and mutes. However, I also need something that let's my ska chords sing. I also play open chords, even in punk, so I need those to be clear and defined even when distorted. I also play blues and when jamming with friends I want something that cuts over the drums and works for that. Oh and don't forget when I'm jamming with some other friends we cover U2, Foo Fighters, Beatles, Hendrix. I need flexibility, and something that I can work with if my playing tastes change. Oh I also play some metal like SOAD, Mudvayne occasionally, and just metal riffs I think up.
Well in that case you are just in as bad of situation as me, you need an Orange, Mesa, Bogner cab, and I would assume you would still need to mod them as far as placing a X patter speaker combo that any of the default speakers of those carry. Get ready to spend buku.
 
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Why is mis-matching head/cab brands so bad?
He is kidding, a lot of people miss-match cabs/heads, I love Laney tone but Laneys cabs are just average based on my research, a lot of people don't like rectumfriers buzzzzzz but admit the quality of their cabs and play them.
 
Re: Looking for a stack

He is kidding, a lot of people miss-match cabs/heads, I love Laney tone but Laneys cabs are just average based on my research, a lot of people don't like rectumfriers buzzzzzz but admit the quality of their cabs and play them.

Okay, cause I was wondering. I've heard TONS of guitarists with mis-matched brands. Actually, a better question, and probably more of a yes/no is if it's okay to mix impedances? Like if the amp sends out 4 ohms is it okay to use an 8 or 16 ohm cab and vice versa? What are the tonal effects? Are there any dangers to my health and safety in doing this?
 
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Okay, cause I was wondering. I've heard TONS of guitarists with mis-matched brands. Actually, a better question, and probably more of a yes/no is if it's okay to mix impedances? Like if the amp sends out 4 ohms is it okay to use an 8 or 16 ohm cab and vice versa? What are the tonal effects? Are there any dangers to my health and safety in doing this?

Calling Drs. The guy who invented fire, Rid.
 
Re: Looking for a stack

If you're playing punk and ska, I would definately recommend a set up similar to mine. I use a Marshall JMP50 2204 into a greenback loaded Marshall 1960ax cab. It gets all of those 70s and 80s classic punk tones, and put a decent drive pedal infront of it and it can do most modern stuff short of the massive flabby/fizzy rectifier sound.
 
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