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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
get a jcm800
get a jcm800
Marshall DSL vs JCM900
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Robert S.
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
I prefer the DSLs over the 900s and if you front end a DSL you can get them to be seriously nasty. I'm not saying thet the 900s are not nice amps but the DSLs have a more traditional Marshall tone to my ears.
Then again, my EL-34 loaded 2203 eats the lunch of any DSL I have paired it up against and when front ended makes the 900s seem lacking by comparison. Up to about 1990 there were two schools of Marshall thinking. You either cranked them up to ungodly levels or you front ended them to get them really cooking and those were the tones you hear on most hard rock stuff unless someone snuck a Mesa into the studio.
Marshalls after 1990 while still being cool, lost some of that magic when they started adding gain into their preamps whether by IC or diode clipping. It's just my opinion but for me the DSLs seem to have a bit of that old flavor while the 900s for the most part sacrificed gain for tone.
I prefer the DSLs over the 900s and if you front end a DSL you can get them to be seriously nasty. I'm not saying thet the 900s are not nice amps but the DSLs have a more traditional Marshall tone to my ears.
Then again, my EL-34 loaded 2203 eats the lunch of any DSL I have paired it up against and when front ended makes the 900s seem lacking by comparison. Up to about 1990 there were two schools of Marshall thinking. You either cranked them up to ungodly levels or you front ended them to get them really cooking and those were the tones you hear on most hard rock stuff unless someone snuck a Mesa into the studio.
Marshalls after 1990 while still being cool, lost some of that magic when they started adding gain into their preamps whether by IC or diode clipping. It's just my opinion but for me the DSLs seem to have a bit of that old flavor while the 900s for the most part sacrificed gain for tone.
ErikH
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
The MkIII 2100 is a 100 watt head.
What else do you want to know?
For price, check completed eBay auctions but about $600-$700 USD is pretty much average from what I've seen.
The MkIII 2501 is a 50 watt 1x12 combo, same circuit as in the 2500 head and 2502 combo.fretburner said:
The MkIII 2100 is a 100 watt head.
What else do you want to know?
For price, check completed eBay auctions but about $600-$700 USD is pretty much average from what I've seen.
fretburner
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
what are the basic differences/similarities in tone with the 2100 and 2500?
thanks!
ErikH said:
what are the basic differences/similarities in tone with the 2100 and 2500?
thanks!
ErikH
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
The 2500 may be a little darker but that's about it. It's not uncommon for 50 watt versions to be a little darker than their 100 watt brothers. The JCM800 2204 is a little darker than the 2203, but that's about it. The preamps are the exact same. Only the power amp is different.fretburner said:
fretburner
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
But they do have the same power tubes right? Both are EL34s?
Thanks!
ErikH said:
But they do have the same power tubes right? Both are EL34s?
Thanks!
fretburner
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
coolness.
anyway, i called up the guy who's selling the 2501 and he told me one of the reasons he's selling it cheap is because 3 of the pots are no longer the originals, and that the volume pot is already scratchy.
if i want to replace all the pots to high quality pots, would that be difficult to do myself?
what are good replacement pots for marshall tube amps?
my boss who's into high end, audiphile stereo systems told me a pot change can do wonders. and he loves EL34s and 12a7 JJ/tesla tubes.
thanks!
ErikH said:
coolness.
anyway, i called up the guy who's selling the 2501 and he told me one of the reasons he's selling it cheap is because 3 of the pots are no longer the originals, and that the volume pot is already scratchy.
if i want to replace all the pots to high quality pots, would that be difficult to do myself?
what are good replacement pots for marshall tube amps?
my boss who's into high end, audiphile stereo systems told me a pot change can do wonders. and he loves EL34s and 12a7 JJ/tesla tubes.
thanks!
ErikH
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
The pots probably just need to be cleaned, not changed. That's one thing that people do when it's not completely necessary. When I took my 2100 in for service last year, the tech sprayed some cleaner inside each of the pots and turned them all in both directions a few times. No more scratchy.
If he's selling it cheap, snag it, then clean the pots.
The pots probably just need to be cleaned, not changed. That's one thing that people do when it's not completely necessary. When I took my 2100 in for service last year, the tech sprayed some cleaner inside each of the pots and turned them all in both directions a few times. No more scratchy.
If he's selling it cheap, snag it, then clean the pots.
fretburner
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
but 3 of those pots have already been replaced, possibly by cheaper ones. i do feel i have to replace them if i buy it. besides, the replacement pots have longer shafts so that the knobs are protruding.
ErikH said:
but 3 of those pots have already been replaced, possibly by cheaper ones. i do feel i have to replace them if i buy it. besides, the replacement pots have longer shafts so that the knobs are protruding.
ErikH
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
If you feel the need to replace them, then get Marshall replacements. They are PCB mounted pots so you might want to take it to a reputable tech to have it done. It'll be worth having it done right if you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself.fretburner said:
fretburner
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
darn it. now i have to consider those to the total cost for this amp. oh well... not sure if allparts or maybe like peavey or fender pots would work?
do you know what are the typical pot values for these things?
ErikH said:
darn it. now i have to consider those to the total cost for this amp. oh well... not sure if allparts or maybe like peavey or fender pots would work?
do you know what are the typical pot values for these things?
ErikH
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
Can't remember the values off the top of my head. Which ones were replaced and which Volume is scratchy?
PM me the info and I'll look at the preamp schematic later.
Get only the Marshall replacements. They'll fit correctly. Shouldn't cost that much more. Just talk with a local tech.fretburner said:
Can't remember the values off the top of my head. Which ones were replaced and which Volume is scratchy?
PM me the info and I'll look at the preamp schematic later.
jerry_affinitystrat
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
right now i own a blackstar id core 20....and i have an affinity strat with slanted jb sh4 at the bridge....im looking for a decent upgrade to replace my blackstar and i want the new amp to be with me for a long time
Hi guys, im thinking about buying dsl40c or jcm 900....im into green days stuff...but i also like blues aswell...and im gonna be in a band soon so i dont know realy which one is better for gigging...im also open to new recomendations for the amp ...i just want to get as close as possible to that 1959 plexi sound that billie joe armstrong has.
right now i own a blackstar id core 20....and i have an affinity strat with slanted jb sh4 at the bridge....im looking for a decent upgrade to replace my blackstar and i want the new amp to be with me for a long time
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
I might be biased owning one but I would go for the DSL. As others have said the 900 is a one trick pony. It is a great sounding amp but limited when looked at side by side with the DSL. The DSL can deliver a serviceable 900, 800 tone and the Plexi tone you want, while the cleans are amazing.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/401036/Marshall-Amplification-Jcm-2000-Dsl-100.html?page=4#manual
I might be biased owning one but I would go for the DSL. As others have said the 900 is a one trick pony. It is a great sounding amp but limited when looked at side by side with the DSL. The DSL can deliver a serviceable 900, 800 tone and the Plexi tone you want, while the cleans are amazing.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/401036/Marshall-Amplification-Jcm-2000-Dsl-100.html?page=4#manual
Aceman
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
Overall, it is really hard to argue with the DSL.
But - if I wanted a one trick pony...I'm going for the 900 SL-X. Or a Peavey 5150.
Overall, it is really hard to argue with the DSL.
But - if I wanted a one trick pony...I'm going for the 900 SL-X. Or a Peavey 5150.
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Securb
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Re: Marshall DSL vs JCM900
I am not really sure. The only new DSL I have played was the 15w head. The little puppy was a screamer and sounded great. I would say it captured the essence of the JCM2000 nicely. If I wasn't living in the hotel I would have definitely grabbed it. I would love to try the new DSL 100 side by side with my amp.
I am not really sure. The only new DSL I have played was the 15w head. The little puppy was a screamer and sounded great. I would say it captured the essence of the JCM2000 nicely. If I wasn't living in the hotel I would have definitely grabbed it. I would love to try the new DSL 100 side by side with my amp.
