Mesa Petrucci Sig 2C+ishness
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ODD, its a Petrucci model, but there is a picture of the Rev with it..... Oh, wait......
Free bonus with purchase, tuition expenses paid for an engineering degree so you can operate it...
Does look interesting. Wish I could spend some time with one. Ive never had the chance to properly dial in a Mesa.
ODD, its a Petrucci model, but there is a picture of the Rev with it..... Oh, wait......
Free bonus with purchase, tuition expenses paid for an engineering degree so you can operate it...
Does look interesting. Wish I could spend some time with one. Ive never had the chance to properly dial in a Mesa.
Pilatvs
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This is, I believe, the first mesa sig model of any kind. Maybe this is the first of more to come. I kinda hope not.
This is, I believe, the first mesa sig model of any kind. Maybe this is the first of more to come. I kinda hope not.
some_dude
Raging BB Gunologist
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The King Snake was kind of a signature amp, without it explicitly being a signature amp.
This Petrucci amp addresses a number of the concerns some had with the Mark V. 100w, dual high gain channels, the pull shift mids is back in, midi control. I suspect the metal community will love it, as will the more harder edge rock guys.
The King Snake was kind of a signature amp, without it explicitly being a signature amp.
This Petrucci amp addresses a number of the concerns some had with the Mark V. 100w, dual high gain channels, the pull shift mids is back in, midi control. I suspect the metal community will love it, as will the more harder edge rock guys.
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Johnny the Kid
Shaunofthedeadologist
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Is he still using Boogies? I know he had a Diezel VH4 added to his system.
And if he is still using Boogies, I believe the amps are stock Tri Recs.
Is he still using Boogies? I know he had a Diezel VH4 added to his system.
And if he is still using Boogies, I believe the amps are stock Tri Recs.
some_dude
Raging BB Gunologist
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His main rig touring rig the last number of years was a modded TriAxis (on IIC+ mode) and 2:90 in parallel with a Diesel. They did start using AxeFX a couple years ago... not sure if they're still using it or if they've gone back to tubes.
For small one off gigs it was typically a Recto on a 4x12, although the amp he's been dragging to baseball games lately looks like a Stiletto.
The thing with Hetfield is that his tone has long been a blend of amps. He's also very protective of his sound, complete with mods and outboard gear people aren't allowed to talk about.
Petrucci on the other hand has been almost exclusively Mesa so far as I understand, and he's totally cool with telling everyone exactly how to dial in his sound. I believe he's also been involved in helping test prototypes for awhile.
His main rig touring rig the last number of years was a modded TriAxis (on IIC+ mode) and 2:90 in parallel with a Diesel. They did start using AxeFX a couple years ago... not sure if they're still using it or if they've gone back to tubes.
For small one off gigs it was typically a Recto on a 4x12, although the amp he's been dragging to baseball games lately looks like a Stiletto.
The thing with Hetfield is that his tone has long been a blend of amps. He's also very protective of his sound, complete with mods and outboard gear people aren't allowed to talk about.
Petrucci on the other hand has been almost exclusively Mesa so far as I understand, and he's totally cool with telling everyone exactly how to dial in his sound. I believe he's also been involved in helping test prototypes for awhile.
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Johnny the Kid
Shaunofthedeadologist
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I actually watched the Rig Rundown for Testament where Eric Peterson mentions that he called Kemper and the guy mentioned that Metallica has plenty of profiling amps. I don't know if there are full time amps or if they just use them for certain things, but the fact that they have "like 80 of them" indicates that they might be using them live and in the studio. The quote is around the 5:15 mark.
I actually watched the Rig Rundown for Testament where Eric Peterson mentions that he called Kemper and the guy mentioned that Metallica has plenty of profiling amps. I don't know if there are full time amps or if they just use them for certain things, but the fact that they have "like 80 of them" indicates that they might be using them live and in the studio. The quote is around the 5:15 mark.
Boogie Bill
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Looks cool! Not something I would go for in my current situation, but I'd bet it breathes fire. Not a bedroom amp.
And I don't have any problem re-creating Mark IV tones with my Mark V. And one of the big design goals of the Mark V was to get those IV and IIC+ tones. Doug West is a huge fan of the IIC+ and I'm sure they did everything they could to capture that magic. I've not had a chance to directly compare a V with a IIC+, but I'd bet with matched tubes, speakers, etc., they'd be damn close.
Bill
Looks cool! Not something I would go for in my current situation, but I'd bet it breathes fire. Not a bedroom amp.
And I don't have any problem re-creating Mark IV tones with my Mark V. And one of the big design goals of the Mark V was to get those IV and IIC+ tones. Doug West is a huge fan of the IIC+ and I'm sure they did everything they could to capture that magic. I've not had a chance to directly compare a V with a IIC+, but I'd bet with matched tubes, speakers, etc., they'd be damn close.
Bill
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
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Has Mesa not figured out how much money they'd make if they simply re-introduced the IIC+ built as it was back in the 80s? I mean, seriously? If I owned an amp company that made what turned out to be highly sought-after and collectible, with people paying Harvard Tuition money for them, I'd have them meticulously recreated and sold for what I had into 'em and swim to work everyday through all the money I made.
Imagine a real-live Plexi that was for-real identical to the ones everyone masturbates to? For $800 new. You could drop every other amp you make for decades.
Has Mesa not figured out how much money they'd make if they simply re-introduced the IIC+ built as it was back in the 80s? I mean, seriously? If I owned an amp company that made what turned out to be highly sought-after and collectible, with people paying Harvard Tuition money for them, I'd have them meticulously recreated and sold for what I had into 'em and swim to work everyday through all the money I made.
Imagine a real-live Plexi that was for-real identical to the ones everyone masturbates to? For $800 new. You could drop every other amp you make for decades.
Animal
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I've read that the company that made the transformers no longer being in operation or something. A key component to the sound that hasn't been replicated, which is kind of ironic as Master Of Puppets was recorded using a 2C+ slaved into the power section of a Marshall with a whole bunch of studio EQ trickery thrown in.
An elusive tone that even the owners of haven't settled with. Petrucci seems to have been chasing the dragon of an amp he's had for decades. Does Metallica even use theirs anymore? Who else does?
I've read that the company that made the transformers no longer being in operation or something. A key component to the sound that hasn't been replicated, which is kind of ironic as Master Of Puppets was recorded using a 2C+ slaved into the power section of a Marshall with a whole bunch of studio EQ trickery thrown in.
An elusive tone that even the owners of haven't settled with. Petrucci seems to have been chasing the dragon of an amp he's had for decades. Does Metallica even use theirs anymore? Who else does?
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Johnny the Kid
Shaunofthedeadologist
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They might in the studio, but they might have also moved onto even more EQ trickery and rarer amps. As I indicated above, there's evidence to suggest that they're using the Kemper for at least something, possibly live, possibly in the studio, maybe both.
They might in the studio, but they might have also moved onto even more EQ trickery and rarer amps. As I indicated above, there's evidence to suggest that they're using the Kemper for at least something, possibly live, possibly in the studio, maybe both.
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I thought about that too. There has to be some internal company reason/debate/issue why they won't do this. If you and I (and others) have thought it, they have to.
With regards to the Petrucci sig, looks awesome, priced high (of course), we'll see what the used market brings in a few years =D.
I thought about that too. There has to be some internal company reason/debate/issue why they won't do this. If you and I (and others) have thought it, they have to.
With regards to the Petrucci sig, looks awesome, priced high (of course), we'll see what the used market brings in a few years =D.
Toe-Knee
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Schumacker. However you can get 1:1 copies made anywhere and from AB tests when I built my clone with an original OT a custom wind and just a 50w marshall transformer they all sounded virtually identical. The actual magic in that tone is in the circuit not the transformers. The OT itself is actually more similar to a 50w plexi transformer than anything else which is very easily obtainable.
TAD in Germany actually offer a MKIIC+ transformer built to the original specs that Mesa themselves recommend techs as a replacement for failed units.
Schumacker. However you can get 1:1 copies made anywhere and from AB tests when I built my clone with an original OT a custom wind and just a 50w marshall transformer they all sounded virtually identical. The actual magic in that tone is in the circuit not the transformers. The OT itself is actually more similar to a 50w plexi transformer than anything else which is very easily obtainable.
TAD in Germany actually offer a MKIIC+ transformer built to the original specs that Mesa themselves recommend techs as a replacement for failed units.
some_dude
Raging BB Gunologist
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IMO, they wouldn't sell that well. While the initial surge would probably be decent people would quickly realize why they were never that popular to begin with and once their curiosity was satisfied they'd turn around and dump them on the used market.
Anyone who is serious about wanting a Mark IIC+ can easily get one. They're for sale all the time and the price isn't all that extravagant for a holy grail amplifier that was only made in limited quantities. Anyone who can't afford a IIC+ can easily buy an early Mark III and have the majority of the IIC+ sound, and as a bonus it's even more raw and aggressive... but no one wants a Mark III because of the compromises in it's design, which happen to be the same compromises that are in the IIC+. There's a reason you see guys like Hetfield and Petrucci using a TriAxis live... and it's not because they can't afford to gig real IIC+s.
On that note, other options for people who're chasing that sound include the Studio Preamp, Quad Preamp, and TriAxis preamp.
Long story short, there's a lot of options available for people who are serious about wanting that particular sound, even if they can't afford the real deal... and since I'm fairly certain that the majority of people whining about Mesa not offering a true reissue don't own any of this gear, I can only assume that they're not serious enough about wanting it to put their money where their mouth is.
IMO, they wouldn't sell that well. While the initial surge would probably be decent people would quickly realize why they were never that popular to begin with and once their curiosity was satisfied they'd turn around and dump them on the used market.
Anyone who is serious about wanting a Mark IIC+ can easily get one. They're for sale all the time and the price isn't all that extravagant for a holy grail amplifier that was only made in limited quantities. Anyone who can't afford a IIC+ can easily buy an early Mark III and have the majority of the IIC+ sound, and as a bonus it's even more raw and aggressive... but no one wants a Mark III because of the compromises in it's design, which happen to be the same compromises that are in the IIC+. There's a reason you see guys like Hetfield and Petrucci using a TriAxis live... and it's not because they can't afford to gig real IIC+s.
On that note, other options for people who're chasing that sound include the Studio Preamp, Quad Preamp, and TriAxis preamp.
Long story short, there's a lot of options available for people who are serious about wanting that particular sound, even if they can't afford the real deal... and since I'm fairly certain that the majority of people whining about Mesa not offering a true reissue don't own any of this gear, I can only assume that they're not serious enough about wanting it to put their money where their mouth is.
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