+Mids .vs. Scooped mids?

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I don't really give a crap whether the mids were scooped or not, AJFA is the best album Metallica will ever release!
 
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I don't really give a crap whether the mids were scooped or not, AJFA is the best album Metallica will ever release!

Yup. The sound of that album is part of the concept. It was their first album after Cliff Burton died, and it absolutely called for a departure -- stylistically, lyrically, tonally. The whole album is like a black hole of despair that sucks you in, and I just don't think it would be nearly as powerful if it had gooey, chewy mids to sink your teeth into.
 
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Blackened is THE BEST OPENER (Battery is a close second) out of all of there albums IMO. If that song doesn't get your blood flowing... you need to check your F***ING PULSE !!! :headbang::headbang::headbang:
 
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To quote a friend from another board - "Mids are where the angry lives!":firedevil
 
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I would die without mids. Literally, I would! But, on a serious note, I really would.
 
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I love mids for every kind of style.
I always dime the mid on my amp and i like pickups with much mids in the them :D
That´s just me though.
 
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As long as I have enough mids to sound like a guitar and it sounds good, I am good to go. At that point I don't care if it is scooped or not
 
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I think you need to differentiate between what people refer to as "scooped" mids in an amp, versus the EQ curves that Duncan and other companies refer to in their pickups.

Amp-wise, extreme scooped EQ is a classic metal thing, a big chugga bottom and sparkly top with not much in between. Notably, this often sounds better in the bedroom than live; onstage it can be messy because you can step on the bass player. As an aside, much classic Metallica was done on Mesa mark series amps with the "smiley face" EQ setting, but mesa mark series amps are extremely mid-heavy (especially turned up). So even with that five-band EQ scooped, that sound was not as "scooped" as you might think. There were still a lot of mids there, especially in the leads.

As has been noted ad nauseum, mids tend to cut thru better for solos. Mesa even have a blurb in their literature about one guitarist (read: rhythm) using a recto and the other (read: lead) using a stiletto, specifically because the stiletto is more mid-heavy for lead work.

Having said that, the EQ band of a pickup is a little more narrow and a little more subtle, and with pickups you have to take into consideration the guitar they are going into. In general hotter pickups have more mids, and vintage pickups are a little more scooped. That's an oversimplification, but if you have a guitar with brighter tendancies you want a warmer pickup and a darker guitar needs a more sparkly pickup. So it's not just about the sound you want, it's also about the guitar you are putting it in. Some pickups sound great in certain guitars and nasty in others. There is a tremendous amount of discussion on this forum and others about what sorts of pickups work better in specific types of guitars to get certain types of tones. There's quite a bit of mojo to it.

The JB is a classic example. It was originally designed for Jeff Beck's tele, so it was voiced for that type of guitar. In the 80's people loved them in basswood guitars with bolt-on necks and floyds. But there is quite a bit of controversy over slapping them into a les paul or an SG, and many just hate that pickup in those guitars.

Also, as noted before, "mids" means different things to different people. Super-fat is usually lower mids; semi-fat half-cocked wah is more of a mid-mid; biting is upper mid. Highs (in pickup talk) is more about sparkle and glass at the top.

Personally, I like a balanced pickup that's not super hot, since I have all the gain I need on tap in my rig. Super-hot pickups became popular in the 70's when amps didn't have the kind of gain they have now and people needed them to push their amps. But nowadays, if you are playing thru an Uberschall or ENGL or some other super high gain amp, your pickups can settle into being something that just compliment the guitar. Sometimes hot pickups still sound really cool even in high-gain amps, but the downside to pickpus like that is they usually sound lousy when you play clean.

I realize that didn't answer the question, but it's just not an easy question to answer.
 
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Yup, mostly mids here, I use my boogie in very unconventional ways.

I hate (hate) scooped mid pickups, that hollowed out sound weirds me out, same with G12t-75's by themselves.

I was just discussing this last night, my friend who has my old ESP CS Kamikaze (maple body/neck-thru, demon pickup). He said that when he used in recording it got kinda lost in the mix. I'm gonna guess that this is because he did the other tracks with an Explorer with a 500T. The ESP is all thump and single coil highs, the Explorer is all mid grind.
 
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+1. Mids cut thru the mix better. My mid-heavy 335's and LP's dominate SSS Strats on stage.


Bold statement. Have you shared a stage with someone who knows how to work a Strat? I doubt that you have because the EQ at the amp has way more to do with it than a Les Paul or 335.

Most Strat players I know cut through very well.
 
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Bold statement. Have you shared a stage with someone who knows how to work a Strat? I doubt that you have because the EQ at the amp has way more to do with it than a Les Paul or 335.

Most Strat players I know cut through very well.

So, what all kinds of deep voodoo are involved in "work"ing a Strat? Besides turning the mids up on the amp?
 
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