my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content)

[everdrone]

my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content)

I wrote and recorded a new song called "detachable conscience":

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7423396

This is for my original solo project. All bass / guitar / singing / mixing / producing / etc. was done by me. Comments and constructive criticism on the mix/musicianship are appreciated.

 

[spule85]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

music sounds good mate, although i dont see he tool influence much... you could also do with some vocal training i think hit thos notes hard. apart from that its looking good.

 

[everdrone]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

heh I see you have maynard hidden lyrics in your sig. Thanks for the insights. I kinda wish I could edit the title of the thread now, I agree with you on the tool bit. Vox could use some work for sure. Thanks again for the comment and taking the time to listen to my tune :beerchug:

 

[spule85]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

no worries, im massive tool fan

 

[everdrone]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

no worries, im massive tool fan

tool, led zep, black sabbath, and NIn are my 4 fav bands; they can do no wrong.

Tool is frickin awesome, Maynard is prolly my fav singer. Thats a cool sig! I like his hidden track about vegetarianism and "the cries of the carrots" "dam the rabbits wear glasses" too teeheehee

I just figured out how to send the microphone signal into my headphones at audible so I can hear vox when Im recording; doing this is good, cause it means I can hear what I am singing when I am singing it, like the way it is at band practice with monitors for me. I still need singing lessons! I just dont have the money or time for em in the near foreseeable future and my goal is to be a bassist and backup singer so that is the purpose of these demos along with their entertainment value for me.

the downside is that it means Im diming the compression in order to hear it...I really need a headphone amp but I cant afford nothin at this point... I did a one take wonder and reposted the song; to see if there is any improvement, if you get the chance let me know if you hear any positive changes.

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

It's a very cool song, reminds me of Alice in Chains era grunge.
The production isn't doing the song justice. What are you using for drums? And in general?

 

[DankStar]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

sounds groovin' to me; I'm trying to figure out what's strange about some of the cymbals; maybe some are not panned hard enough L or R? not sure; some seem to come at you from all directions. no biggie though.

 

[everdrone]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

It's a very cool song, reminds me of Alice in Chains era grunge.
The production isn't doing the song justice. What are you using for drums? And in general?

Many thanks! innerdreamrecords.co - your mixes are outstanding, very professional. You must know your way around eqs, compressors and limiters very well. I uploaded 17 images of my settings for my mix here:

http://gs108.photobucket.com/groups/n7/FI4Z81YPB3/


My equipment: Epiphone Limited Edition G-400 Electric Guitar with stock EMG81/85s, Rogue LX200B Series II Bass Guitar, ToneportGX, unmodified Ezdrummer/drumkit from hell, Reaper. Vocals: $7 Starpower SP-4C Nady mic, Voxango Voxformer. I mix using super cheap headphones and M-Audio Studiopro3 3.5 inch speaker monitors. I have experimented with free plugins for other mixes, but for this song I only use the reaper plugins.

sounds groovin' to me; I'm trying to figure out what's strange about some of the cymbals; maybe some are not panned hard enough L or R? not sure; some seem to come at you from all directions. no biggie though.

Thanks much DankStar! I selected ezdrummer/dfh tracks so that every 3 seconds or so the next drumloop will pan center, right or left for the cymbols. Drumfills pan automatically in ezdrummer. I just started using ezdrummer over the last month; do you think I should stop doing so much panning? Im not sure why but they dont seem to pan all the way to the left for some reason. I checked my settings but I cant figure out if there is any issues that need to be corrected.

 

[DankStar]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

hmm, I dunno, I just use whatever stock panning ezd has. The only things I really touch from ezd's stock settings are the bass drum level (turning it up a tad), and changing the beater to plastic.

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

A couple of observations on the mix. I'll start with the drums and bass then come back later for the other parts.

Bass drum, move your 35Hz cut up to 40hz, Bass guitar up to 50Hz, move the low cut on the guitars up to 120hz. I would start with a good drum mix and have all the parts together equal about -6 dbs on your master output. This gives you a loud drum mix and enough head room to fit the rest of the parts in. If I were you I would zero out the faders and start there, then add your other parts one by one.

I know a few things. I have produced for a couple of major labels.

PS,

As far as panning drums goes the more dense the mix the less panning should happen, the more sparse the mix the more panning.

 

[Diocletian]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

Nice. I added myself as a friend on there too.

 

[Pink Unicorn Horsey]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

Not hearing much Tool here, but I definitely sense the Alice in Chains thing going on, along with tinges of Iron Maiden. Cool stuff!

EDIT: Just listened to it again. With the right production, this will be a KILLER tune man.

- Keith

 

[everdrone]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

hmm, I dunno, I just use whatever stock panning ezd has. The only things I really touch from ezd's stock settings are the bass drum level (turning it up a tad), and changing the beater to plastic.

way cool man. Im starting to listen to songs more critically. I just noticed that Drumkit from Hell has most drumloops panned right and left
http://gs84.photobucket.com/groups/...rrent=panningdrumloops-ezdrummerdrumkitfr.jpg

while ezdrummer does not. Not sure what a plastic beater is but Ill look into it.

A couple of observations on the mix. I'll start with the drums and bass then come back later for the other parts.

Bass drum, move your 35Hz cut up to 40hz, Bass guitar up to 50Hz, move the low cut on the guitars up to 120hz. I would start with a good drum mix and have all the parts together equal about -6 dbs on your master output. This gives you a loud drum mix and enough head room to fit the rest of the parts in. If I were you I would zero out the faders and start there, then add your other parts one by one.

I know a few things. I have produced for a couple of major labels.

PS,

As far as panning drums goes the more dense the mix the less panning should happen, the more sparse the mix the more panning.

ok, that makes sense, I was wondering about your background for production, cause your mixes and advice are always stellar. I tried these tips you mentioned, I hope to improve as time goes on. I tried less panning for cymbols. It seems that for hard rock all instruments are competing for the same frequencies so I subtractive eqed everything for -8db cause Im still training my ears; and used the frequencies you recommend bassDRUMS 40 320 singing: 80-650 bass 50-375 guitars 120-1000 snare: low cut 120 ...I uploaded images for my new mix:

http://gs84.photobucket.com/groups/k10/FL5XPHVS7Z/

I think it sounds a little? better now, thanks

Nice. I added myself as a friend on there too.

right on bro, recording stuff is pretty fun for sure :beerchug:

Not hearing much Tool here, but I definitely sense the Alice in Chains thing going on, along with tinges of Iron Maiden. Cool stuff!

EDIT: Just listened to it again. With the right production, this will be a KILLER tune man.

- Keith

Thanks much Keith. Im looking forward to hearing about your Tool cover band, thats an awesome mesa single recto you have. Im getting the basics down for production for now; thanks for the encouragement

 

[GoDrex]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

Do you dig High On Fire? The guitar sound is very similar. I like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89h-X-tZa_w

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

For the vocals put a low cut filter on at 120hz up to 150hz for male vocals and it can be higher for female vocals. Then if you need to cut out other frequencies listen for harshness by boosting the eq way up and sweeping through the frequencies until you identify the bad sound - this is a good technique for any instrument. Other than that on vocals I tend to put a 1.5 db boost at about 2200khz, 7400khz and 11,000 khz as a default range, then adjust to taste.

Be careful when you're making drastic cuts in the middle of the instruments harmonic frequency range you can suck the life out of the sound.

 

[everdrone]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

Do you dig High On Fire? The guitar sound is very similar. I like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89h-X-tZa_w

Thanks much for the mad propz

I totally dig High on Fire. Yesterday I saw a couple bands - priestess and blackwater rising and was standing next to the dudes from The Sword and Kings X that have that retro jcm800 type tone. Its funny that musicians will go on for days about High on Fires great PAF+Matamp tone but the average listener or open minded musician would likely think my tone (active emg into modeler) is similar. I think its a psychological taintedness; once they know its modeler and active pups then suddenly... I can definitely appreciate the difference in tone, but just for generalization's sake...Thanks - any comparison to a band like HOF is awesome, your recordings are rockin' soloing as well...

For the vocals put a low cut filter on at 120hz up to 150hz for male vocals and it can be higher for female vocals. Then if you need to cut out other frequencies listen for harshness by boosting the eq way up and sweeping through the frequencies until you identify the bad sound - this is a good technique for any instrument. Other than that on vocals I tend to put a 1.5 db boost at about 2200khz, 7400khz and 11,000 khz as a default range, then adjust to taste.

Be careful when you're making drastic cuts in the middle of the instruments harmonic frequency range you can suck the life out of the sound.

Dude, your advice is always awesome. You were saying shelf versus cut and I was not making the distinction till now. I uploaded a new version trying this out along with the default boosts at similar hz. I see what you are saying on drastic cuts. I downtune my guitar/bass to C# so I tend to make shelves at 100hz to compensate. I figure as my ear gets more trained my mixes will be better. My mixes are alot better than they were a few months back. Many thanks.

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

You're welcome glad I can help.

 

[Tor]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

Great ideas here! The guitar could use some more treble/presence in it.. It sounds a little too bass heavy ("dark" is the term I am after, I think). The lead guitar could be a little more biting, and not as smooth. It's a little too smooth for my tastes. Sorry if I'm repeating innerdreams or something, I have not read all of his expert remarks here.. But really, you have a lot of really good things going on here, so keep up the good work!

 

[everdrone]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

Great ideas here! The guitar could use some more treble/presence in it.. It sounds a little too bass heavy ("dark" is the term I am after, I think). The lead guitar could be a little more biting, and not as smooth. It's a little too smooth for my tastes. Sorry if I'm repeating innerdreams or something, I have not read all of his expert remarks here.. But really, you have a lot of really good things going on here, so keep up the good work!

Thanks much, glad you dig this. I really appreciate your insights; Im far from satisfied with my mixing ability, so Im trying to make changes that most efficiently get results. I tweak stuff alot, I uploaded a new version.

I added mids and set my low shelf to 120hz on to rhythym guitars, not sure if what I did is that noticeable, prolly need more mids still. My mixes usually lack mids, that is a general consensus, something Im working on for sure. I usually have a less smooth solo but this one was smooth, not sure why I wanna keep it, I change my mind after listening for awhile, I dont plan on solos like that all the time. Im definitely not satisfied with the rhythym guitar tone. But I have been making improvements by finding my flaws in the mix like not making low cuts, making drastic shelves that suck the life out of sounds, and compressing drums etc etc.

So Im happy with my progress, I figure in a few months my mixes will sound better; more mids in guitars etc.

Thanks for taking the time to listen to my stuff dude, thanks for the comments

 

[scottish]

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Re: my new original metal/hardrock song - tool/AIC influenced (EMG81/85 & DFH content

dunno why...but the 1st thing i thought when i heard the lyrics was depeche mode, lol

anyways, its a nicely cut song, not really my thing but still, i cant find much to fault on a technical aspect. its certainly a better all round track than ive ever got off my ass to make, lol.