My take on the Peavey Windsor head...

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Securb said:
I will pass I like the sound of my DSL I am not ready for the "openly suck" mod just yet.
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Here is a quote from my #25: "Well, saying that the DSL sucks was not a right thing to do and I apologize for this. It was conceived as a very different (more modern sounding) amp as compared to the JCM 800 and it is not correct to compare them."
 
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So, regardless of all the stars, ranks, war paint and feathers involved the key question of this thread, which is why exactly expecting the Windsor to sound like a Marshall will make one hate it, remained unanswered. Please, pardon my sarcasm, I just can't resist it.
 
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vivanchenko said:
So, regardless of all the stars, ranks, war paint and feathers involved the key question of this thread, which is why exactly expecting the Windsor to sound like a Marshall will make one hate it, remained unanswered. Please, pardon my sarcasm, I just can't resist it.
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All right - I'll answer that.

Because it doesn't sound like the Marshall that people EXPECT it to be based on marketing/hype/foolishness.

Now that i answered that question, directly, and clearly…


How did you not get that from the OP while everyone else did?
 
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Aceman said:
All right - I'll answer that.

Because it doesn't sound like the Marshall that people EXPECT it to be based on marketing/hype/foolishness.

Now that i answered that question, directly, and clearly…


How did you not get that from the OP while everyone else did?
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So, according to you people expected the Windsor to sound better than this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aW_22MsTmY And they hated it because it didn't? Sorry, your answer just doesn't make sense.
 
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OP "I think I may see where a lot of the hate lies with this amplifier. I've seen it described as a "Marshall clone" or a "JCM 800 or Hot Rodded JCM 800" clone. My opinion is that it is far from this, and when people buy this amp expecting that, they get what they didn't want, so of course...it sucks! Because if that is what you're expecting, it is gonna suck. That is what I was expecting, but here's what I got instead."

Now I will quote what other people say about the amp. Just read the comment section bellow the video.

Jake Stewart Music
This is one of the best brown sound replications I've seen on youtube! Nobody will ever nail it perfectly, but this is suprisingly close. hot damn!

eyesontheworld
Dude your playing is so sick and the tone you got for the Windsor is amazing. What are your settings on the amp?

Willa Hillchrising
I cant believe it sounds so good with bass at 2, mid at 1, treb at 1? Wow. Awesome sound and playing. Thanks!

REDSOXNYG
2:20 is so nasty, but the whole thing, the tone, the playing, just the amp sound, all is exactly like Ed. phenominal!!

MuvoTX 5
F'ing amazing!! great playing and Eds brown sound. Phenominal!!

Canned Dirt
even halen coodnt to get it to sound like off the album like this twice


And I could go on and on. I could easily find lots of similar opinions on other forums. Do you see the obvious contradiction? So, I would like to know, what exactly in the Windsor sucks so that people hate it? If I new I might be able to help the others to make it sound good and as close to the JCM 800 as close can be.
 
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^Since when are YouTube comments cite-able evidence? Are ~20 YouTube comments considered a fair representation of public opinion now?

Also, why would public opinion even matter - regardless if the public opinion is praising or trashing the amp? Here's your very own words on general consensuses:

vivanchenko said:
I personally don't care for things like "general consensus" because it had being so stupidly wrong so many times.
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Can't the general consensus of YouTube comments be "so stupidly wrong so many times"? How do you know those YouTube comments that support your argument aren't "so stupidly wrong"?
 
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Ain't no cheeseburger like a Windsor cheeseburger cuz a Windsor cheeseburger don't staaaaahhhhhp.
 
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Myaccount876 said:
^Since when are YouTube comments cite-able evidence? Are ~20 YouTube comments considered a fair representation of public opinion now?
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You know your argument sucks when you are reaching out to youtube comments to bolster your position.
 
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What really sucks is no argument at all. And so does the "general consensus" which is different on each forum and according to which, not too long ago, Gibson Les Pauls sucked too. To the point that dealers couldn't sell them and Gibson had to discontinue them. The same people now call it a Holy Grail and sell originals for hundreds of thousands dollars and copy each minute details of them.
 
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Also, why Marshall had to discontinue the Plexi and the JCM 800? Surely not because they sold well. Obviously the general consensus f_cked up again back then.
 
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vivanchenko said:
What really sucks is no argument at all. And so does the "general consensus" which is different on each forum and according to which, not too long ago, Gibson Les Pauls sucked too. To the point that dealers couldn't sell them and Gibson had to discontinue them. The same people now call it a Holy Grail and sell originals for hundreds of thousands dollars and copy each minute details of them.
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What he hell are you smoking? Not so long ago? You mean in 1961 when the single cut les paul was updated to the shape that we now know as the SG? What same people are now calling it the holy grail.

This has nothing to do with the windsor. Unless you are alluding that in the far future the windsor will be remembered and revered as some spectacular amp.
 
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vivanchenko said:
Also, why Marshall had to discontinue the Plexi and the JCM 800? Surely not because they sold well. Obviously the general consensus f_cked up again back then.
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They didnt discontinue the plexi...it got updated. The model 1987 was made from about 66 until 89 then was issued as various reissues the next year. Its never been out of the line up for more than about a year. Same with the 1959.

The 800's were discontinued because popular music had changed and the valve situation had changed. Getting non microphonic preamp tubes was hard and people were wanting things like channel switching and effects loops that the 800's. Never mind that they were just old and people wanted something new but they were produced for over 12 years in some areas... Much much much longer than the windsor was produced.
 
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So, getting rid of maple top, f_cking up the sustain and introduction the dead notes was considered an upgrade? Ridiculous.
 
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Windsor ≠ Hot Rodded MArshall

I am correct sir. You are having difficulty interpreting basic English. Is English your first language?
 
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Now your just backpedaling. And If you post that damn Van Halen medley one more time...

I'm out of this thread, Aceman can take my place.
 
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Aceman said:
Windsor ≠ Hot Rodded MArshall

I am correct sir. You are having difficulty interpreting basic English. Is English your first language?
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Here is a quote from my first post in this thread: "The JCM800 sounded very similar to the Windsor and I think that this is exactly why many people say that it's a JCM 800 clone though it isn't because it has a slightly different preamp design (more like hot rodded JCM800) and a different PI design.

You are not the first one in this thread who had difficulty interpreting such a basic word as "similar". I am giving a definition of it one more time, specifically for you:

Similar - having likeness or resemblance.
 
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We get it, you like the Windsor, that's fine. But, it's time to stop beating the dead horse. A lot of people hate on JCM 900s, but it's one of my favorite amps, I don't go around dredging up old posts to argue that they're great and everyone who disagrees with me is wrong.
All the OP was saying is that he bought the Windsor under the impression that it delivered a certain sound based on the advertising and reviews of that amp. When he got it he was disappointed that it failed, in his opinion, to deliver said tone. He then said that he found some good tones for other styles of music, and postulates that the reason many of the negative attitudes associated with this amp are the result of people being led to believe it sounds one way when in reality they find it may not.
My personal experience with the Windsor is that it sounds ok, not great but no terrible either. I felt that while it had some of that EL34 upper mid crunch associated with Marshall, it was flat and dull and didn't have the same responsiveness. Perhaps a tube change and re-bias would cure some of this, but I wasn't impressed enough with it to put anything into it. It is made out to be a $300 amp that sounds like a $2600 (new 800RI price) amp, but sounds like a $300 amp trying to sound like a $2600 amp and missing the mark. If I had to choose between a $300 Windsor and $1200 used JCM800, the 800 would win every time
 
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One must be an idiot to term the Windsor as a JCM 800 clone based on design and diagrams. There are obvious and important differences. The only plausible explanation of how people could come up with the "clone" idea is that it sounded very close to the JCM 800. I personally convinced that it isn't a clone whatever way you look at it but it does sound close to the JCM 800. It is close to the point that it can be considered as one of the JCM 800 flavors.
 
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