NAD: Laney Ironheart 60H

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Total impulse purchase. I heard about these last year and forgot about them until I saw a recent Alex Hutchings demo video. They dropped the price to $650 shipped from zzounds, and they had it shipped to my door in less than 24 hours. The zzounds warehouse is in Jersey and I am about 250 miles away so they get stuff here next day shipped ground. Can't speak highly enough about their fast shipping.

I have been using a JSX for the past couple years and I was looking for something that could do low/mid-gain better. (The JSX sings and roars but its a bit congested.) Also, the power soak should help with recorded tones. The only effect I ever use is delay and this thing has a built in footswitchable reverb and boost, so I could gig with this amp without any pedals depending on how good the verb is.

Haven't opened it yet, have work to do..

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Re: NAD: Laney Ironheart 60H

Nice! I had one in my sights a while ago but choosed something else. It looked good on paper and in reviews but I couldn't find one to try out. Do tell how it sounds.
 
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Just finished playing for what I thought was about 30 minutes, but turns out it was 2 hours.

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I was playing it through a 4x12 Peavey XXX Slant. (The speakers are like fat V30s, its good for metal and shred, but they dont impart much character in the upper registers.) I also have a JSX cab I will try it with. Played it with a Dean 350f superstrat, standard tuning.

My initial impressions are very good. At first I thought they had nicked the Peavey Ultra/XXX/JSX design because the amps are similar in character/features and they don't sound as different as I thought they would.

Using the amp feels like trying to drive on the left hand side of the road. Even after two hours I don't feel like I "know" the amp, but I'm starting to get it.

I usually record with the JSX run into a Randall Iso cab, miced with a 57. This allows me to choose exactly how much saturation I want. I got the Ironheart because of its "vari-watt" feature and thought it would give me another dimension of saturation, without having to worry about playing too loud into the iso cab.

The most standout feature of the Ironheart60, imo is the Vari-Watt control. This the the basis of the many tonal variations. In use it works almost exactly like a master volume. You turn it clockwise and the amp gets louder. However the higher the Wattage control is set, the more saturation there is, but the saturation remains, even if you turn down the channel volume, so you can get that saturation at lower volume. I don't think there is a power soak in there, it may actually be an analog filter, but it is effective.

I would say that the Ironheart60 is COLDER than the JSX at low volume, and to get the baseline saturation of the JSX requires the control to be turned up pretty high. This emphasizes the mids and tightens things up. So much that you will have to reset the EQ. My feeling is that typical adjustment is to set the Wattage control first to decide the overall character of the amp, and then set the channel volumes independently. (In this sense, it is less effective than a master volume amp. With the JSX, the amp is fairly cold until about "2" on the MV, then it is fully saturated by "6" or so. The sweet spot is around 3-4, but this varies depending on the volume of the pre signal.) With the ironheart, it doesn't start to sound like a lead guitar amp until the saturation is at least half way up.

The really versatile thing about the Ironheart is that it sounds really percussive on the lower/colder wattage settings, not congested and small like some amps. So you dont really need to open it up to get good sounds. I am not a metal head, but I found that playing pedal note riffs on the low-E string was entertaining and bouncy, they really stand out and it was clear that this amp can do the newer downtuned styles. There are tons of variations in rythym tones you can get from Metallica to experimental huge and percussive. (I suppose people call that death metal...)

From a lead guitar standpoint, once I figured out the Wattage control, I was getting tones closer to what I was looking for.

The boost control is IMO necessary to get the kind of preamp saturation you want in a lead tone. I experiemented with combinations of boost and pre-gain and can't draw many conclusions at this point about the differences in tone, but my feeling is that the boost will give a glassier tone with less hair than the preamp gain. The bad thing about this setup is that there is one boost per amp, and you may find that you need it for both channels depending on what you are doing, so there may be compromises when setting up for a live set. I'm not in love with the boost control, my feeling is that the preamp gain should get enough gain by itself and be able to provide a singing lead tone, with the Ironheart60 you really need to give a little bit of boost to get it to sing. I think the preboost setup is a little awkward, but its nice to have control of input gain, especially in this price range. Versatile, but awkward. Most people would probably have channels that can sing on their own and use boost pedals to control input gain.

The lead and rythym channels are almost identical in tone/gain. With controls set identically, the lead channel has a bit more mid puch, but its mild. Otherwise the rythym channel can get as much gain as the lead channel.

The EQ is not terribly versatile, not like the active EQ on the JSX. They are passive controls with "pull to shift". Still getting my mind around what each one does. The mid pull seems to widen the "Q" of the mid band. The treble pull may be frequency shift. Have to experiment some more, but not thrilled with the EQ, but much of that is because I don't know it yet. To give you an idea of how vague each control is, the many reviews of the amp, no one has been able to definitely demonstrate which each control does- they are subtle. That said, you can get fully scooped and fat tones, just that you may be near either end of the sweep to get what you want.

The Ironheart has a global Dynamics and "tone" stack, which are similar to the JSX resonance/presence. However, the dynamics has little effect on standard tuning and I feel that it will impart bigger effect for downtuned and extreme metal styles. I typically find the lead voice by changing treble/presence and resonance/bass in tandem. This tone control is like presence but seems to have more overlap with treble and the dynamics control seems to be lower than resonance.

The amp has the ability to get mild breakup (which the JSX can't do without a boost pedal) , but the overall tone is dark so you don't get a sweet, singing spongy sound like you would for a fender. It can do blues in a pinch, but the dark character of the amp is everpresent, this is a modern amp.

Lead tones are a bit more versatile than the JSX, if not as polished. There are ways to dial in a glassier, more percussive (more LANEY) style tone, but it doesnt do "hair" as well as the Peavey Ultra circuit. Also, becaue the dynamics control does not seem as effective as the JSX resonance, it may be harder to tighten it up and craft the low end of the tone for shred. I think the resonace operates lower and probably more suited for crafting the low end of metal rythyms.

The amp looks good, is inoffensive, but the quality of materials is a notch below the JSX. The knobs are light plastic and the pots are a bit on the loose side. Chickenheads are easier to adjust. Because the EQ is not that sensitive, you find yourself making big sweeps with the knobs and the knob design doesnt feel great. Also it doesnt have many back panel features, no sweep on the send/return, no impedance switch, just several differnt jacks. No bias test points. Tolex not as thick as Peavey. It has metal corners but a couple mild nicks here and there.

Overall I really like this amp and I feel it is a better metal amp than the JSX, and a bit more tonally versatile (until you add a boost pedal to the mix). The strength of the amp is the wattage control and the ability to play colder and get more open and percussive sounds out of it, or tighter and more saturated, at any volume. (I dont think many people but extreme metalheads will appreciate the coldest settings.) However, the EQ and gain staging is not as polished/intuitive as the JSX, and the craftsmanship is not quite as nice.

I am currently burning in the amp, and as I look over I see the power lamp is fluctuating, like there is a lose filament or something. Its a chinese amp, so I'm not too excited about this. I will definitely look into an extended warranty if I decide to keep it. I'm still not sure if it brings any features to the table that I will personally use, although it can cop the JSX tones.

One last thought, this amp is noisier than the JSX, and probably needs double ended noise suppression. ON the JSX, if you zero the volume, any hiss goes away. With the ironheart, if you zero the volume, the major noise goes away, but there is still background hiss.
 
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Sadly, going to send this back.

The problem is that the Vari-Watt feature, which sounds good at bedroom volume, really screws the tone up when recording loud. I think the variwatt control which seems very clever, is just a master volume that also applies EQ filters as the volume is raised, to make it sound rouder and warmer.

Trying to get it as cold/accurate as possible, putting the lead channel volume on "10", the amp gets too much saturation by the time the master volume control in on 2.

With channel volume on 10, and master on 4-5, the tone just gets disgusting, like it has way too much saturation, even though the real volume is less than the JSX. So instead of getting a sharp, acurate pick attack, it sounds muddy. And the EQ is not versatile enough to overcome this.

I think there is real saturation from driving the tubes, and also artificial saturation on top. This is a bedroom amp.

Someone should open this up and see if the vari-watt is just a filter on the master volume. I don't think it has a power soak, I really dont think the power tubes are running hot all the time. I think the wattage feature is just a gimmick.

Also, the lead tone does not hold a candle to the JSX when A/Bed. I thought I was getting the JSX tone, but when I went back to the JSX, found that it wasnt close. No matter how much boost or gain you add, there is no way to get the same kind of full and tight sound. The ironheart is always fighting with being too loose and too open. The Ironheart will never CUT like a good lead amplifier.

Last, unfortunately, is that with equivalent gain levels, the Ironheart is noisy. I can play with the JSX gain on "6" which is ALOT, cranked through the iso and when I mute the strings, hear nothing through the monitors. With the Ironheart, with the same level of gain, the noise is ridiculous.

JSX >>>>> Ironheart
 
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Re: NAD: Laney Ironheart 60H

Well, crap. I was just about to buy the 30w combo. I'm sorry you're disappointed with it.
 
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Well, crap. I was just about to buy the 30w combo. I'm sorry you're disappointed with it.

When I was playing at low volume, I thought it was pretty cool. Then I opened it up and realized it is not tight enough. It sounds fake at loud volume. I think it will probably still sound OK at low stage volume, or if you think an amp getting gooey at loud volume is a good thing.

The EQ controls do almost nothing. If you pull the mid and treble knobs, it gives the sound a more forwards presentation, but there is no way to get what I consider a tight sound out of it.

Caveat, I'm not a metalhead. I was looking for a shred machine with versatility.
 
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This thing is starting to turn my stomach.

I have been experimenting with it more and it takes boost pedals REALLY bad. Other reviewers have noted that if you go above 3-4 with boost control with any significant gain, that the amp just gets muddier. The same it true of anything in front of the amp. I was using an Ice9 which is usually very versatile, and it does very little to the tone, other than make it muddy if I add too much gain or volume. So there is a practical limit to how much gain you can get, before the amp either muds out and/or the noise gets so high that your noise gate can't control it.

Because of the limits of the circuit, I wouldn't say this is a high-gain amp, at least compared to a 5150 or DSL. I would say it has hard-rock levels of gain, but with a really dark character, and because of the limitations of the front end, there is not much you can do about it. You can't push it into really high gain. It can make the low strings grumble, but it doesnt really grind or sing.

The EQ is bland and does almost nothing.

This thing looks like a bargain, but it is chinese crap. If it wasn't so noisy it would be forgivable, but it just doesnt behave like a good tube amp. I wonder if maybe something is wrong with this particular amp, but I suspect its just a cheap component here and there that adds up to a noisy and uninspiring circuit. I'm going to have to eat the shpping charges both ways.

Anyone who lives in USA, a used XXX/JSX/5150 destroys this thing.
 
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Re: NAD: Laney Ironheart 60H

I havent tried their ironheart & lionheart series yet but i have tried the gh100l. That thing sounded good enough that i almost bought it but financial issues creeped in.
Laneys tend to be biased cold from factory & the tad tubes that they use in them make em sound bright & fizzy. Suprising that the ironheart sounded darker stock.
It sounds harsher in the clips i've heard it in, not like their gh/vh series.
Maybe the new Iommi sig ironheart is better sounding but its very pricey.
 
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I havent tried their ironheart & lionheart series yet but i have tried the gh100l. That thing sounded good enough that i almost bought it but financial issues creeped in.
Laneys tend to be biased cold from factory & the tad tubes that they use in them make em sound bright & fizzy. Suprising that the ironheart sounded darker stock.
It sounds harsher in the clips i've heard it in, not like their gh/vh series.
Maybe the new Iommi sig ironheart is better sounding but its very pricey.

I had a GH50 head about ten years ago and that was the loudest 50 watt head I have ever heard. That had a classic, uncluttered and powerful tone, only suitable for stage. This is different.

The ironheart can sound harsh if you run it cold. That is what it does well, you can get all manner of cold/harsh to warm/gooey tones, but the boost control and boost pedals just add mud beyond a certain point and the amp never gets really gainy and liquid. The EQ/dynamics and tone control are not very versatile and it seems like there is too much overlap between the controls.

Now this is coming from somone who thinks the JSX and 5150 are soime of the best high gain heads you can get. These heads are used by metal guys and shredders alike, but i suspect the Ironheart is tailored more for the drop tuning metal crowd.

The tone is not terrible, you can get a glassy and open lead tone, but it feels a bit choked compared to a 5150. The big problem is that for whatever reason, a boost pedal will not bring it into 5150 territory, it already has a ton of noise and boosting it just adds mud and noise before it gets "there".
 
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I had a GH50 head about ten years ago and that was the loudest 50 watt head I have ever heard. That had a classic, uncluttered and powerful tone, only suitable for stage. This is different.

The ironheart can sound harsh if you run it cold. That is what it does well, you can get all manner of cold/harsh to warm/gooey tones, but the boost control and boost pedals just add mud beyond a certain point and the amp never gets really gainy and liquid. The EQ/dynamics and tone control are not very versatile and it seems like there is too much overlap between the controls.

Now this is coming from somone who thinks the JSX and 5150 are soime of the best high gain heads you can get. These heads are used by metal guys and shredders alike, but i suspect the Ironheart is tailored more for the drop tuning metal crowd.

The tone is not terrible, you can get a glassy and open lead tone, but it feels a bit choked compared to a 5150. The big problem is that for whatever reason, a boost pedal will not bring it into 5150 territory, it already has a ton of noise and boosting it just adds mud and noise before it gets "there".
I wonder if the IRT Studio behaves the same way. I think people tend to like that one but since this has already left a bad taste I don't think you'd want to try your luck with that one too. Anyways, the hunt goes on!
 
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I played it some this morning. I figured out what is so weird about this amp. The wattage control has a drastic affect on the amp's voicce, but it is also the master volume of the amp. It really sounds like the wattage control applies some kind of EQ to simulate power tube saturation. So you have to find "the" spot on the wattage where you like the voicing, which for me is somewhere around 5.5, but then you don't have control over the master volume.

The channel volumes can be used to change the overall output, but this is a problem because if you have a noise gate in the loop, changing the channel volumes means you have to set the gate different.

The wattage control has a really big affect on the style of the amp. It's very versatile. I think the IRT Studio makes sense because you are not driving a speaker, just tweaking to get a recorded sound.

The only way IMO to use the Ironheart live would be to have double-ended noise suppression, and also an EQ in the loop to serve as master volume.

I'm intrigued by the amp, but I see now that the design is much better for the Studio model.
 
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Enjoyed the review, as I'm always interested in hearing about Laney amps. I have an LC 15 1x10 combo (one of the last UK made models) that has worked very well for what I use it for, and I'm considering the Lionheart series.
 
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I've been playing it some more, like a sore in my mouth that I can't stop licking.

I think I am spoiled rotten by the JSX. The JSX, no matter what you want, its pretty clear about how to get it (intuitive). The lead tone is always saturated and liquid but you can dial it back and open it up just by rolling back the gain. With the Ironheart, I have been fighting to get that. I think the difference is that the EQ is post gain. The boost and lead gain can both be used for mildly different kinds of tone, the wattage control drastically controls how the amp sounds, the tone and treble knobs seem to have alot of overlap, the push/pull controls are not intuitive and its not obvious what the EQ controls do until you have gone to the extremes. Junk from the guitar (dead spots and fret jingle) get translated through the amp noticably. It seems even on the high gain settings there is much less compression to level things out and you are using the EQ/tone controls for balance more than tone shaping. High solo notes on the neck tend to be clear, I suspect that this amp will appreciate a dirty speaker with lots of character and sparkle on top, probably best with a GT75. Maybe a V30.

Push/pull knobs can be used to subdue the tone, have it sit back in the mix, or stand out in front, have been trying all combinations of push/pull on the mid treble bass. However, the amp might as well be a one channel head because whatever you dial in for one channel needs the global controls to balance it out. The controls are very interactive. FOr instance the wattage control adds saturation and heft, and you will need less mids, etc.

I have been experimenting with differnt placement of the 57 on the cone, didn't find anything that really brings out the better qualities of the amp. All my testing is with the amp relatively cranked and miked through studio monitors.

If I had to say one positive thing about the amp is that the lack of compression means it is more dynamic for midgain stuff. It is versatile, but none of the tones are 100%. Better write down your settings because if the knobs move you may not be able to find it again.

I may be fored to keep this because it will cost $100 in shipping charges both ways to return, and I can probably use it for a few years as a backup and flip it for not much less. Buying this amp is a big risk because none of the stores in the US stock them, so you pretty much have to go based on reviews. If anyone is interested in this amp, buy it from Musicians friend with a price match, they may cover shipping one or both ways.
 
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Well Laneys usually dont hold their value much. I mean their UK stuff could be had in $400 range, sometimes even less in the past decade. This one being MIC & assembled in UK may affect the after sales value. If $100 could help get rid of it since you dont really like it all that much then it would be easier to not take a hit selling it later on down the road.

If ya still keeping it then the first thing to try out would be different preamp tubes i think, it may just help fix the unwanted hiss issue. Mullard RI's would help out keeping it balanced or for something brighter there's always the Tungsol RI's.

Man it stinks when impulse buys don't work out right :(
 
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