NRD: I Got A Rodent Problem...

Kam

Shaftologist
New Rat Day. No need for an exterminator though, it's the best infestation I've ever had.

And I've had a few. :fart:

I ramble a lot, so this might be long and boring. Feel free to skim.

I started a thread here a week or so ago about Rat distortion pedals. Some guys posted some really awesome looking BYO clones that I was seriously tempted by and then Jem Ghost posted what looked like a really great and very versatile pedal from Biyang that looked cool. However, I ended up finding a ProCo You Dirty Rat for a pretty great price on Ebay so I jumped on that. I actually got it on Monday, but I was too tired and busy over the last couple of days to really put it through it's paces so I waited until now to post this thread.


First off, I just want to make it clear that I wasn't really looking for that classic old-school Rat tone, just a cool dirt pedal, so before any Rat purists or Mars-bars-were-twice-that-size-when-I-was-a-kid-and-the-sun-always-shone-and-men-were-REAL-men guys jump on me...I'm aware that it probably doesn't sound at all like the real vintage pedals of yore BUT that's not necessarily what I wanted.

So bah humbug, mother****ers.


On to the review...​


I'd always heard that these things were ****ing bomb-proof and now that I've got one in my hands I can see why. It's heavy as hell and enclosed in what's probably the same kind of metal that they'll end up building Terminators out of. The switch is solid and I don't envision any problems with it. I took a brief look at the interior and the board seems to be neatly soldered and high quality. Maybe you American workers are worth your wages, after all. :p

I turned all the knobs to 12 O'Clock and plugged it into the clean channel of my Laney LV300 and I gotta say, I wasn't expecting to enjoy it as much. It's an incredibly thick sound, very Marshall-ish and with a huge amount of what sounds to me like complex harmonic content. Harmonics and overtones just ring out very musically. It's not in the least bit a polite pedal; it's rough around the edges, fuzzy, angry, thick and untamed but it's still very warm and round. There's no bee's nest or mosquitos here. Absolutely SUPERB for thickening up leads and single note riffs. I ran through a couple of Rage Against The Machine riffs and it really filled my room, almost like I'd double-tracked the guitar or something. Just a massive sound from those low strings.

I played with it set like that for about half an hour or so without touching the settings...that's how much I liked that base tone. Once I decided to experiment with other settings I discovered that it's really not a hugely versatile pedal.

Turning the gain right down got some pretty cool medium-gain sounds but nothing like a smooth overdrive sort of sound. Turning it up past the middle made the sound a lot fuzzier; rather than just adding gain it seems to change the character of the gain. It was a little odd to get used to. Turning it up also seems to make it sound a lot more compressed, which is cool but not all that useful to me.

Turning the 'filter' (basically a tone) control to the left added treble and got some cool, thinner, sort of lo-fi sounds but nothing I would really use a lot. Nothing that would be useful for a main rhythm tone, anyway. Turning it to the right added an almost ungodly amount of low-end but also seemed to add a bit more compression and sounded a little farty...though that could easily be my amp or speakers just not being able to handle it. There's certainly no lack of bass from this thing.

Ultimately, I ended up returning the controls to roughly 12 O'Clock, finding nothing in the whole rest of their range that I really liked the sound of. Which is okay, really, because I really like the basic tone when everything is set to around the middle.

I haven't plugged it into my AOR yet but I'm expecting great things when I do. All in all, I'm happy enough with the sound to use it as my main source of dirt into a completely clean amp, occasionally boosting it slightly with my Raptor overdrive. That's something I want to experiment more with and I'll add my thoughts on that when I do.

TL;DR...​


  • Thick, meaty and warm but raunchy and aggressive, slightly fuzzy gain for great hard rock rhythm sounds and really nice, thick but responsive lead tones.
  • Built like a tank.
  • Addictive amounts of harmonic, musical overtones and natural sounding sustain.

    BUT

  • Not overly versatile and can get a bit too compressed and bassy to use with certain amp/speaker combinations.

Overall, I'm really happy with it and I'm thoroughly enjoying it.

I'll bump later with pictures or something.

Thanks for reading.

:beerchug:
 
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Damn rambling Irishmen. Good review. Hopefully it finds a place with you long term and ends your search....at least for now.
 
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Thanks, man. :beerchug:

To be honest, I didn't really need a new dirt pedal. I was happy enough with my dirty sounds before but I'm definitely happier with them now. It'll be my last gear purchase for a while, probably. I really need to start saving money. This was just my little Valentine's Day gift to myself. :)

I gave myself a rat for Valentine's Day. Goddamn, that just sounds filthy, doesn't it? :bad:

EDIT: I also just realised that the thread title is probably pretty misleading. Guys are going to be thinking I bought a broken pedal or something. Sorry, dudes. Just my lame attempt at a lame joke involving a lame play on words. :friday:
 
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I looked them up after that thread, mine is a whiteface rat. Adjusting the filter right is the trick, I usually set mine with the filter pretty far counter-clockwise, maybe 9 o'clock, anywhere around 12 o'clock or higher and it gets raspy then harsh.

I was looking at the YDR, thinking it might be a cool addition.
 
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I skimmed and got: "plug thick meat."

I want one. The rat, not your thick meat.

speaking of biyang, I was just looking at their EQ's today. it looked great for the price.

(I'm guessing you dug the rat because you wrote the equivalent of a long novel by Daniel Steele for the review)
 
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Pics and soundclips! Or this tread is worthless!

Just kidding, I love detailed reviews when they are well written. How's the low end on the pedal?
 
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REAL-men guys jump on me...:beerchug:
Thats the only bit that really stood out for me! lol

anyway rats are great and yeah they are not very versatile, but using that filter you can get it to match up to however you have your amp set.
Im not sure if you are planning on it, Kam, but there is a Monte Allums kit (it only works on the YDR and some of the other US ones) that gives you 2 other modes of operation on your rat - they are very different to the stock sound and also very useful and giggable tones.
 
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Nice review. Sounds like a cool pedal. I picked a White face a while ago. I do not know how it compares to the others (or the classic ones) but is a cool pedal that will get some use here. The ProCo folks have a sound that no other pedal (save the clones I would guess) match. I too think it is worth a place around here and I did not need any more pedals here either.
 
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I don't have a YDR, but my two regular Rats are indispensable. Welcome to the club.
 
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I looked them up after that thread, mine is a whiteface rat. Adjusting the filter right is the trick, I usually set mine with the filter pretty far counter-clockwise, maybe 9 o'clock, anywhere around 12 o'clock or higher and it gets raspy then harsh.

I was looking at the YDR, thinking it might be a cool addition.

I only really know what the differences are from online reading and Youtube videos but that was my impression as well, that the YDR was a little smoother and warmer than the others. That's mainly why this is the model I was particularly interested in.

If I put the filter control on mine to 9 O'clock it gets brighter and noticably thinner but not harsh. It might be a sound that would work better in a live mix but I don't know for sure.

I skimmed and got: "plug thick meat."

I want one.

:D

The rat, not your thick meat.

:(

speaking of biyang, I was just looking at their EQ's today. it looked great for the price.

I don't personally own any of their pedals and I have limited experience with them but I'm a big fan myself. I've mentioned before that there's a local band here that uses their stuff pretty much exclusively and their tone is pretty phenomenal when they play live. They rely on their effects a lot and they always sound good. Once I have a bit more money I'll be investing in their chorus and delay pedals. Maybe one of their dirt pedals as well. I'm still curious about their Rat clone and how it compares to this one.

(I'm guessing you dug the rat because you wrote the equivalent of a long novel by Daniel Steele for the review)

You assume correctly, sir.

Oh, and I have no idea who the hell Daniel Steele is but I'm assuming he has awesome taste in tone.

Pics and soundclips! Or this tread is worthless!

Just kidding, I love detailed reviews when they are well written. How's the low end on the pedal?

I'll put pics up later but I unfortunately don't really have the means to record. I might be able to put a little something down going straight from the pedal to my computer but I've no idea how good it'll sound.

It has a tonne of low end. I usually have quite a bassy tone, especially when I'm playing on my own, and I'm more than satisfied with the low end coming from it with the filter control set just a hair towards the bass side. Turning it all the way up just sounded like rolling the tone control on my guitar all the way down...really bassy but not really usable bass. It tends to get compressed and choke the life out of your tone. I think it filters out high end rather than just letting more lows through, so it can get a bit lifeless and boomy. Nevertheless, even with the filter control smack bang in the middle, there's enough low-end thump to keep me happy.

It also can get farty, as I mentioned, but I really don't know if that's how the pedal naturally responds or if it's just how it's interacting with my amp and speakers.

I'm really not sure if I'm describing that right or not. If you have any more questions then fire away. I am at your disposal. :beerchug:
 
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Thats the only bit that really stood out for me! lol

anyway rats are great and yeah they are not very versatile, but using that filter you can get it to match up to however you have your amp set.
Im not sure if you are planning on it, Kam, but there is a Monte Allums kit (it only works on the YDR and some of the other US ones) that gives you 2 other modes of operation on your rat - they are very different to the stock sound and also very useful and giggable tones.

Okay, seriously, now you guys are just reading what you want to read. :p

I was thinking about that, actually. The filter does have a decent range, so maybe I don't find it versatile simply because I had it dialled in just the way I like with this amp? I dunno. I'd like to try it out with a few other amps to see about that.

And the Allums kit looks pretty cool, yeah. I don't know if I'll mod this one, unless I get bored of it or I find something else that I like more. I'm still tempted by some of the BYO kits you recommended in my last thread. I think I'd rather build a whole new pedal than mod this one, if I'm still enjoying it.

And thanks to you other guys offering congratulations on my new pedal and my super-awesome review skillz. :beerchug:
 
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Being a Rat noobie too I was also surprised and pleased how sweet this pedal can be when you find the sweet spot that works for you. That said, I find mine to be vary versatile even to one amp. I can dial in fat or cut like a knife, high or low gain and they all sound great. Mine is also a different model , Rat 2, and its been to Keeley before I ever played one so I dont even have a stock Rat reference point:)
And yeah, they must be built with 1/8 inch steel! Seriously over built pedals, but they do rock. Enjoy!
 
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Just keep playing with it. You'll suddenly stumble on settings that make you rethink the pedal time and time again. It took me a while to get comfortable with mine and almost sold it several times. Now I'm really glad I didn't because I've kept turning knobs then playing and doing it over and over until I really understand the pedal now. Mine ain't going nowhere. She's a keeper.
 
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Oh, and I have no idea who the hell Daniel Steele is but I'm assuming he has awesome taste in tone.

I meant Danielle. She writes 800 romance novels a month. Collect them all!
 
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