Pearly Gates - hmmm

OlinMusic

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I am fascinated with the Pearly Gates. Just installed them, barely rehearsed once and recorded with them. Very sweet, very classic. Tight low mids and tone. Not as loose / more articulate than the APH1s.

The only thing is you cannot dial out the high sizzle on it. When plaing alone you have to accept it as some kinda old school Billy Gibbons type thing. The flip side - it has given every amp I play thru, incl. My Riveras and my Boogie that old Marshall grind. Everything I play thru now has that old school midrange honk and slashing tone that I used to only get out of my Marshall itself. The neck stays sweet and cuts under all circumstances.
As far as character (outside the sizzle), I actually feel they resemble the 59 model far more than people ever mention. It's like a 59 with a little something more IMHO.
 
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I love pgs. I have 6 of them! I think they are the best non-custom shop PAF clones ever made.

But I disagree regarding its comparison with 59s. I think they are quite different on the bass side and lower mids. Yep the highs and uppermids kinda sound similar, but pgs don't have a tight bass, and scooped lower mids. They have that magic of a2 PAF clones (spongy bass, round lowermids) yet with a5kinda uppermids which help to cut through the mix in a band setting.

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I'm another PG fan. I've got 4 of them and love them in everything I've put them in.

A trick I use in my LP (which is kind of bright) is to use 500k pots on every control except for the bridge pickup's tone control. On that one, I use a 250k. I also use a slightly bigger cap on my bridge unit as opposed to the neck. I use a .022mfd in the neck and a .047mfd in the bridge.
 
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PG Rules!!!!!!!!!!

I don't see the "can't get the sizzle out" thing, I like the way they tame down as I roll off volume, or occasionally tone. If you mean the pumped upper mids, no, that doesn't go away.

I've always thought they might be real interesting pups to use with a stellar tone knob.
 
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You guys are giving me G.A.S.! I think the PGn (on paper) would be the best mate for the Brobucker. I have a Seth with the BB now and it is really nice, but the curiosity is killing me!
 
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If you want a lower output bucker with some scream to it, a PG would rule over a 59 anyday. I'm refering to the metalheads out there. Pump up the amp gain and rage!
 
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I need a set of Pearly Gates for my explorer, but with trembucker spacing..why is it so hard to find??
I can only find JB, Custom, Distortion and etc..
 
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Well I have to say the PGs are sooooo different that I kinda have to stick with them out of pure fascination / enjoyment. They are kinda like using some kind of magic pedal that makes everything sound like a Marshall with PAFs (this includes all my amps - IN MY BOOK THIS IS A GOOD THING), and they clean up VERY well.

I definitely don't think you can understand the PGs til you play them against a band or 2. They have made me say DAMN.

Mine measured 8k (both are bridge models) and I must say they both sound great. I can't help wondering what an overwound bridge model might sound like. I LOVE THE 8k NECK, sounds very full and nice on my PRS 24 fret. Opened up the guitar and gave it a classic tone. The lows are gorgeous. Should I ever tire of the neck, I have an APH1 sitting around. Beautiful pup, but I kinda like the old school rude of the PG.

Like I said, the sizzle is a new thing for me that I am trying to get used to.

Now I wonder about the EVH model. DAMN, I either have acid reflux orrrrr, orrrr orrrr could it be GAS?!

ROCK N ROLL
 
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Having measured 3 Gibson BBs (yes I opened them up! ;) ) and more than 14 PGs I confidently can say that generally Gibson BBs have hotter screw coils, but pgs hotter slugs. That is why to my ears even a2 BBs are sort of brighter but do not have that upper mid whose extent I think is sorta overdone on rio grande BBQs. But generally people associate them uppermids with highs, and say PGs are too top heavy. I disagree.

I love a ~8.40K PGb in the bridge and ~7.80K Gibson BB2 #1 in the neck. I have to confess that I am not a big fan of PGns tho, to me they are sorta weak. All that I have seen were below 7.30K (and believe me I have seen more than enough, like 7 or more). That's why I ended up using weaker PGb's (sometimes with a3 mags) in the neck. BTW another non-custom shop favorite of mine (among PAF neck clones) is Gibson BB2 #1. :)

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There is something I'd like to share with you guys especially after reading Olin's post (saying that both of his PGb's are like 8.00K).

I now have 6 PGbs and 1 PGn (sorry, in my initial post I forgot one :smack: ). Even tho the duncan specs say it should be like 8.50K, all the ones I have are like 8.10K and all. To be exact, I have a 1990 custom shop (long legs, no logo) PGb that reads 8.35K (I love that pickup, rivals the most pricey boutique HBs :bigthumb: ). All the others have a lower resistance: 8.15K, 8.10, 8.05 and 8.00K. I am using them in the neck position. Anyways, the last one is a PG+, and measures 8.75K (great pickup, am gonna see how it would compare against the brobuckers I purchased recently). I do not remember the PGbs I have sold, but none of them were reading more than 8.15K.

My multimeter is calibrated, and I can match the duncan readings on my antiquities perfectly. So that part is also covered. ;)

I dunno what's going on, but somehow these readings to me seems well below the specs. Anyways, they are great pickups, but I have to confess that I am checking the DC readings before being interested in a pgb.

Peace,

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I'll prolly buy a JB for my Ibanez this weekend. If I'm not satisfied with it, I'll trade it for a PG... :bigthumb: It seems very versatile, yet defined and very 'toneful' to put it somehow. Tempting!
 
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Does it take a custom shop order to get a PGb wound to advertised specs, or is that what the PG+ is?
 
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Does anyone have any experience w/ Pearly Gates set in a Epi Dot or Gibson ES-137? Playing Jazz/ Blues/ Classic Rock.
 
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Doc, one of my PGb is 8.4K. I use that one at the neck of my Carvin DC127-T. I have one at the bridge of an Epi Alleykat that measures 8.6k. The one in my Yamaha measures 8.1K ( and sounds fantastic) and I have a PG+ with an alnico II mag in my LP that puts out 8.75K paired with a PGn (7.4k).

I got all of these by chance, only measuring them recently.

Either my digital multimeter sucks, or I've been very, very lucky.
 
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Benjy,

Another possibility is that I have been very unlucky. :duh:

Anyway putting too much emphasis on DC readings is not right. As you said a 8.10K bridge sounds great. It is just that my 8.75K PG+, a5 8.75K ant bridge and a4 8.70K ant bridge sound phenomenal where they are.

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Neoclassic said:
Does it take a custom shop order to get a PGb wound to advertised specs, or is that what the PG+ is?

I don't suppose that'd be the case. But still there are some variances to those advertised specs. Afterall, all the DC readings I got are still almost within - 5 percent of the advertised specs. (8.50K * 0.05 = 0.42K ;) )

PG+, by the way, is a PG with an a5 mag, wound a little hotter. They come stock on fender lone star strats, or sold in Fender boxes. But still they are manufactured by Duncan. Do a search, you'd find lotsa info on them.

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dr. barlo, could you please post the ohm readings you get for the slug and the screw coils of your BB's and PG's? I am interested in the difference between the two. I know that Lindy Fralins Unbuckers have as much as 1.5K of a difference (3.5K+5K for example), that IMHO is too much.
 
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Olin -- we measured yours while they were in the circuit, which gives a lower reading, by about 0.2k. I saw the +/-8.05 on them and was so surprised that I forgot about the circuit factor -- probably yours are about 8.3k...
 
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