cliffenstein
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Here's a short iPhone comparison video I made for a friend...I think the Windsor holds up well.
Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
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cliffenstein
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Re: Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
Negative honest opinions don’t bother me in the least. Go for it.
Negative honest opinions don’t bother me in the least. Go for it.
cliffenstein
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Re: Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
Well, keep in mind you’re listening to iPhone video audio which is being compressed at least to some degree by YouTube. My YT upload settings were set to highest quality.
On the DSL I am using red channel lead one.
Bass 3
Mid 4
Treb 3
Presence 3
Deep in (engaged)
Tone Shift out (disengaged)
Gain 4
Reverb 0 (Reverb unit removed)
Volume 4
Windsor is plugged into to low input.
Bass 3
Mid 4
Treb 3
Presence 3
Boost out (disengaged)
Preamp 7
Resonance 6
Texture full pwr (class a/b)
Cab is a 1985 JCM800 1960A with stock Celestion G12T75 speakers (white label).
I am using my strat’s bridge position pickup (Seymour Duncan JB Jr) and 11 gauge D’addario strings.
Well, keep in mind you’re listening to iPhone video audio which is being compressed at least to some degree by YouTube. My YT upload settings were set to highest quality.
On the DSL I am using red channel lead one.
Bass 3
Mid 4
Treb 3
Presence 3
Deep in (engaged)
Tone Shift out (disengaged)
Gain 4
Reverb 0 (Reverb unit removed)
Volume 4
Windsor is plugged into to low input.
Bass 3
Mid 4
Treb 3
Presence 3
Boost out (disengaged)
Preamp 7
Resonance 6
Texture full pwr (class a/b)
Cab is a 1985 JCM800 1960A with stock Celestion G12T75 speakers (white label).
I am using my strat’s bridge position pickup (Seymour Duncan JB Jr) and 11 gauge D’addario strings.
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JMP/HBE
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Re: Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
Having said that ive heard some older 5150's that sound Monstrous.
I can appreciate what the Peavey is, but a good Marshall at stage volume will walk all over a Peavey every time.
Having said that ive heard some older 5150's that sound Monstrous.
cliffenstein
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Re: Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
That has certainly been my experience as well. I’ve owned 2 5150 heads (block letter and regular versions), 2 VTM 60 heads (they kill the 5150) and this Windsor (VERY good). I’ve owned 2 Marshall heads - a 1979 JMP 2204 that was to die for (it was stolen from my car) and this JCM2000 DSL100. I’ve played and recorded through many healthy JCM800 and 900 heads as well.
This Windsor comes the closest of any amp I’ve played through to that 1979 JMP I had.
But even so, the DSL is still my main gigging amp. It sounds bigger and wider than the Windsor.
That has certainly been my experience as well. I’ve owned 2 5150 heads (block letter and regular versions), 2 VTM 60 heads (they kill the 5150) and this Windsor (VERY good). I’ve owned 2 Marshall heads - a 1979 JMP 2204 that was to die for (it was stolen from my car) and this JCM2000 DSL100. I’ve played and recorded through many healthy JCM800 and 900 heads as well.
This Windsor comes the closest of any amp I’ve played through to that 1979 JMP I had.
But even so, the DSL is still my main gigging amp. It sounds bigger and wider than the Windsor.
JMP/HBE
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Re: Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
PV's in my experience the tone gets squashed the more you turn them up and not in a good way. They lose their voicing.
I had a friend that was a great player, had a 5150 II that sounded great by himself but was totally lost in the mix.
Best medium size club amp i ever heard was a JCM-800 100 watt. after the first set i went up and talked to the guitar player to see what pedals he was running.
No pedals, guitar straight in turned 1/2 way up. It was Amazing.
The same club my friends 5150 got lost in.
PV's in my experience the tone gets squashed the more you turn them up and not in a good way. They lose their voicing.
I had a friend that was a great player, had a 5150 II that sounded great by himself but was totally lost in the mix.
Best medium size club amp i ever heard was a JCM-800 100 watt. after the first set i went up and talked to the guitar player to see what pedals he was running.
No pedals, guitar straight in turned 1/2 way up. It was Amazing.
The same club my friends 5150 got lost in.
cliffenstein
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Re: Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
My experience with the 5150 head into a Mesa cab was very good, but even with that mid accentuated cab (vintage 30’s), the 5150 was weak in the mids and the knobs were very unresponsive. That issue does not exist with either the VTM or the Windsor. I’ve never had an issue with either cutting through a mix and I’ve always played in two guitarist bands.
That video above is me playing both with volume at 4 which is about where I play live and in band practice (sometimes I take either head to almost 5). My other guitarist plays a healthy and great sounding JCM800 2210 and a heavy early 90’s Gibson LPC. I’m never lost in the mix...he sometimes is. Before I got this DSL, I was using the Windsor with the same results.
I’m strictly a plug in and play player. I do not now, nor have I ever, used pedals of any kind.
The DSL is my main gigging amp for a reason, but the Windsor, when dialed in right, can absolutely deliver the goods in a wonderfully old school Marshall kinda way.
My experience with the 5150 head into a Mesa cab was very good, but even with that mid accentuated cab (vintage 30’s), the 5150 was weak in the mids and the knobs were very unresponsive. That issue does not exist with either the VTM or the Windsor. I’ve never had an issue with either cutting through a mix and I’ve always played in two guitarist bands.
That video above is me playing both with volume at 4 which is about where I play live and in band practice (sometimes I take either head to almost 5). My other guitarist plays a healthy and great sounding JCM800 2210 and a heavy early 90’s Gibson LPC. I’m never lost in the mix...he sometimes is. Before I got this DSL, I was using the Windsor with the same results.
I’m strictly a plug in and play player. I do not now, nor have I ever, used pedals of any kind.
The DSL is my main gigging amp for a reason, but the Windsor, when dialed in right, can absolutely deliver the goods in a wonderfully old school Marshall kinda way.
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cliffenstein
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Re: Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
Yep...DSL is more modern sounding, I like it a lot, too.
Yep...DSL is more modern sounding, I like it a lot, too.
cliffenstein
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Re: Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
There are times when I like it more as well.
There are times when I like it more as well.
Cynical
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Re: Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
This talk of 5150s getting lost in the mix is the most absurd conversation I've ever read. Rectos, sure, but 5150s? They're notorious for how well they cut, and how they tend to make the other guitarist in a 2-guitar band completely vanish unless they dial in a really weird way with the treble down.
Re: the original video, I preferred the Windsor. Punchier, a bit drier. Reminds me more of an early vertical-input 2203, while the DSL seems to be based more on a later horizontal-input 2203, but made a bit brighter as well.
This talk of 5150s getting lost in the mix is the most absurd conversation I've ever read. Rectos, sure, but 5150s? They're notorious for how well they cut, and how they tend to make the other guitarist in a 2-guitar band completely vanish unless they dial in a really weird way with the treble down.
Re: the original video, I preferred the Windsor. Punchier, a bit drier. Reminds me more of an early vertical-input 2203, while the DSL seems to be based more on a later horizontal-input 2203, but made a bit brighter as well.
cliffenstein
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Re: Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
Keep in mind that I toured with a healthy 5150 for a decade. I didn't get lost in the mix, but I had to work harder with the controls than my Marshall wielding co-guitarist did. I love my Windsor...it VERY much reminds me of my 1979 JMP 2204. I got it used in 2015 and a year and a half later I spent an extra $300 getting it to LOOK as good as it sounds...haha!
Even still...my DSL is a friggin' beast of an amp and I love it!
Keep in mind that I toured with a healthy 5150 for a decade. I didn't get lost in the mix, but I had to work harder with the controls than my Marshall wielding co-guitarist did. I love my Windsor...it VERY much reminds me of my 1979 JMP 2204. I got it used in 2015 and a year and a half later I spent an extra $300 getting it to LOOK as good as it sounds...haha!
Even still...my DSL is a friggin' beast of an amp and I love it!
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Cynical
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Re: Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
...Why were you having to work hard with the controls on a 5150? Red channel, Pre-gain 3, B/M/T 6/6/7, Post-gain 3 or higher, Resonance low, Presence at 5 or 6. Done.
Now, making room for the other guitarist is a different story...
...Why were you having to work hard with the controls on a 5150? Red channel, Pre-gain 3, B/M/T 6/6/7, Post-gain 3 or higher, Resonance low, Presence at 5 or 6. Done.
Now, making room for the other guitarist is a different story...
speed2dirt
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Re: Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
He should have bought a Bugera???
:doh:
He should have bought a Bugera???
:doh:
cliffenstein
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Re: Peavey Windsor vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100
I don't play super gained out...the tone shown above in the clip of the Windsor and DSL is the same basic tone that I've been using since the 90's.
My co-guitarist had a Slash signature Marshall head (silver jubilee with regular Marshall gold instead of silver) at the time and played an LPC. I played an American Strat with a JB Jr. JB Jr's are mid accentuated and the Mesa cab I used had vintage 30's, so it was mid accentuated as well.
Don't get me wrong...my tone was good and I didn't have complaints at the time. Once I started playing Marshall's though, it was a different ball game and I've been all about that kind of sound ever since. The VTM 60, the DSL and the Windsor all deliver it. The 5150 does not...at least not in the same way. It's more Soldano and less Marshall.
I don't play super gained out...the tone shown above in the clip of the Windsor and DSL is the same basic tone that I've been using since the 90's.
My co-guitarist had a Slash signature Marshall head (silver jubilee with regular Marshall gold instead of silver) at the time and played an LPC. I played an American Strat with a JB Jr. JB Jr's are mid accentuated and the Mesa cab I used had vintage 30's, so it was mid accentuated as well.
Don't get me wrong...my tone was good and I didn't have complaints at the time. Once I started playing Marshall's though, it was a different ball game and I've been all about that kind of sound ever since. The VTM 60, the DSL and the Windsor all deliver it. The 5150 does not...at least not in the same way. It's more Soldano and less Marshall.
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