Peavey Windsor

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I think the use of the word of "touring" here in this thread is kinda funny. Like it is big rock stars that tour only and have money to spend on vintage Marshalls plus backup vintage Marshalls in case something happens to the first...

Haha. I have been in the music scene a good number of years and while never "touring" with any bands I played in, I do have some friends that toured all over the states and Europe and they did it with kinda junky equipment and didn't make a whole lot of dough to buy expensive amps. Two of my friends are twin brothers and one played an old Peavey 4 channel mixer amp 100 watter with a ProCo Rat in front of it and a chorus and his twin played a new Mesa 50 caliber. Neither had issues during all their touring, but a whole lot of musicians start their touring with heavily used equipment that was scraped together and don't make enough to go buy amps in the thousands of dollars.

Touring for a lot of musicians means throwing your old ratty gear into a van or other accomodating vehicle, and driving like hell to the next gig to tear it up and party more while packing and unpacking in a hurry, and do that for the next 30-40 towns and shows. Plenty of cheap gear has survived several years like that and eventually getting sold to upgrade to something else or short on funds, or whatever the reason. Guitar players definitely are interesting having seen some with no equipment at all get into bands that had to beg borrow or steal their new guitarists gear to get gigs going.

I think it would be more interesting to hear from people that have actually kept the same piece of gear for 30 years. I bet that number is actually smaller than people think.

I'll also venture a guess that those guitar players who are touring just don't have the time to argue on internet forums about whether they bought the right gear to withstand 30 years of touring.

:D
 
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Definitely an interesting thread. I didn't know about the Windsor before this one. Also inspired me to ignore my little half stack and plug into Bias on my ipad and a great Marshall JCM 800 model. Having some fun with some classic sounds at low volume.

:)
 
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This really long thread about how and why a cheap amp is cheap, and the really weak responses to my threads about real amps, are major contributing factors to my recent absence from the forum.

Get your **** together, SDUGF.
 
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I do not understand the "small amp" fever. They are still way too loud to crank at bedroom levels, which was the point in the first place and when not cranked, large amps with larger tubes and transformers sound a lot better than the small buzz boxes. Waita minute, they want you to pay $400 for the no-fx-loop-2el84-Tiny-Terror? That's just stupid. I say grab a Windsor for $200 while they are out there so cheap. It won't last forever.
 
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Wormhelmet said:
They have standards on build for 6505 and adhere to ISO 9000 standards. Just because it is made overseas does not make it bad. It is the care in QC at multiple spots in manufacture that will ensure a good product still.
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I missed this post last night, do you work with ISO 9000? When I lived in China a few years ago me and my wife would work as liaisons between Italian companies and Chinese manufacturers. A common complaint was that quality wasn't being met. As soon as this was brought up the Chinese would produce a mountain of paperwork showing their adherence to an ISO 9000 standard. After mucking through it what we learned about ISO 9000 is that really all it says is that certain procedures were followed. It doesnt guarantee that those procedures are beneficial to quality or even relevant. Many times we would find the used ISO didnt apply to the product being manufactured. We learned quickly that at times when choosing a plant it could actually be beneficial to find one that didnt have an ISO schedule in place, This way they would be willing to modify their process if you required it, where as an ISO plant wishing to maintain their cert would be unlikely to do so.

Its is far from a iron clad guarantee of quality.
 
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Empty Pockets said:
This really long thread about how and why a cheap amp is cheap, and the really weak responses to my threads about real amps, are major contributing factors to my recent absence from the forum.

Get your **** together, SDUGF.
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The problem is how much can people say " cool amp is cool" not much to discuss beyond that. I guess if you wanted a show you could try to be controversial about it. Next time you get an amp claim its the reason that bruce became caitlyn, then see how far you go.
 
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Wormhelmet said:
I think it would be more interesting to hear from people that have actually kept the same piece of gear for 30 years. I bet that number is actually smaller than people think.
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I bought my JMP in 1990 when i was 13 years old. The amp was 12 years old at that point. I got it for 550 bucks with cab. It had been in the basement of the local music store and they had a fire. The sprinkler system filled the basement with 2 1/2 feet of water. To this day you can see the water line on the grill cloth. That amp is glorious.
 
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ISO 9000 is all about procedures. All it sais is that such and such person should check this and this and keep such and such record. That's all. It does not specify any tolerances or manufacturing processes and it doesn't guaranty that that person is not a j..k. It is important to understand that an ISO 9000 certified product can be, and often is, a POS and vice versa.
 
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What? Sprinkler system? Convinced. Next time I buy amp I will make sure I spend extra to make sure it can survive tours in Afghanistan.
 
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Edgecrusher said:
I missed this post last night, do you work with ISO 9000? When I lived in China a few years ago me and my wife would work as liaisons between Italian companies and Chinese manufacturers. A common complaint was that quality wasn't being met. As soon as this was brought up the Chinese would produce a mountain of paperwork showing their adherence to an ISO 9000 standard. After mucking through it what we learned about ISO 9000 is that really all it says is that certain procedures were followed. It doesnt guarantee that those procedures are beneficial to quality or even relevant. Many times we would find the used ISO didnt apply to the product being manufactured. We learned quickly that at times when choosing a plant it could actually be beneficial to find one that didnt have an ISO schedule in place, This way they would be willing to modify their process if you required it, where as an ISO plant wishing to maintain their cert would be unlikely to do so.

Its is far from a iron clad guarantee of quality.
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Yes, its up to Peavey to ensure their product now made in China adheres to quality they want to produce. I never said its a guaranty of quality. Peavey has to maintain that. There are crap products made in England and USA too. Maybe you got a thing against Chinese manufacture, I don't know. I get it. You don't like Peavey and are a Marshall guy. Its all bias buddy. Reject em as much as you like, still people will use them, and use them for years despite your thoughts on the matter.

Just as many stories about Peavey amps lasting years and still there are stories about Marshalls breaking. So what. You haven't produced any facts on failure rate, longevity, etc. All conjecture.
 
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Wormhelmet said:
Yes, its up to Peavey to ensure their product now made in China adheres to quality they want to produce. I never said its a guaranty of quality. Peavey has to maintain that. There are crap products made in England and USA too. Maybe you got a thing against Chinese manufacture, I don't know. I get it. You don't like Peavey and are a Marshall guy. Its all bias buddy. Reject em as much as you like, still people will use them, and use them for years despite your thoughts on the matter.

Just as many stories about Peavey amps lasting years and still there are stories about Marshalls breaking. So what. You haven't produced any facts on failure rate, longevity, etc. All conjecture.
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I dont get why you are taking this personal and worked so hard to confuse the issue. My point was simple. The build quality in a Windsor is lower than the build quality in a JCM 800. I gave specific examples where the build quality was lower. Which you claimed were opinion. I dont see how a board being thinner or transformers being smaller is opinion. I even asked you to show me how the build quality on the windsor was the same.
 
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May be. Here is a gut shot of a praised Marshall Vintage Modern b8f97506f0370a03f0b91cba1c8bc19d.jpg
Is this a superior build quality?
And here is a gut shot of the Windsor. Is this inferior build quality? No, it is not. P1010009-1.jpg
 
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vivanchenko said:
May be. Here is a gut shot of a praised Marshall Vintage Modern http://marshallroadhouse.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17651
Is this a superior build quality?
And here is a gut shot of the Windsor. Is this inferior build quality? No, it is not. View attachment 64466
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Ive said over and over jcm 800... stop trying to drag modern marshalls into it.

BTW have you had your hands inside either of those amps? or you just going off what you can see on pics? have you ever serviced either?
 
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I agree that build quality of old JCM 800 is better. But I disagree that $$$$ modern production Marshalls are superior in any way. And that's the point of the thread - $200 Peavey Windsor is just as good or better than modern production $ 1200 Marshalls.

That's something which is very important to know for anyone contemplating an amp purchase.
 
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