POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

  • Strat style

    Votes: 29 21.0%
  • Les Paul style

    Votes: 13 9.4%
  • Telecaster style

    Votes: 13 9.4%
  • Superstrat (soloist, RG, dinky, etc)

    Votes: 27 19.6%
  • PRS

    Votes: 10 7.2%
  • Warmoth custom features

    Votes: 7 5.1%
  • Completely custom built

    Votes: 22 15.9%
  • Fully hollow body jazzbox, or gretsch type

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Semi hollow - 335 type

    Votes: 8 5.8%
  • Other (not included on the list)

    Votes: 9 6.5%

  • Total voters
    138
Re: POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

+1. All the local players I know with Strats, never use their bridge SC's, because they're like nails on a chalkboard. Many triple SC Strats are effectively two PU guitars.


Thats why I like HSS guitars.

Love the Tone of the Bridge humbucker more than a EQ bridge SC.


To Blueman and Strat deluxer,

if both of you are not busy.

Why dont you two Post a Sound clip in the Forum or a Video on youtube, playing a version of the same song with your favorite guitars, Stratdeluxer with a Strat, and Blueman with an SG or LP, and let us decide which one we Prefer,

:D
 
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Re: POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

I guess that Gibson copied the adjustable bridge piece from Fender because they weren't on original Les Pauls and neither were humbuckers.....both came along a few years later.

I have played an original 1952 Les Paul and the bridge left a little to be desired....like being able to intonate the guitar. Here is more info..


I don't dislike Les pauls at all, but I feel like you continually slag Fender Strats for some reason. :dunno:

I actually criticize Gibson much more than Fender. Although I think Gibson came up with the best guitar designs (late 1940's to mid 1960's), management decisions made after Ted McCarty left have too often been questionable. Lots of poor ideas perpetuated for decades (HHH guitars and the varitone come to mind, along with their refusal to make a Super SG in the 1980's...still waiting for that).

BTW, the original LP bridge/tailpiece was a disaster, and the gold finish was blamed for it's falling sales...the only two things Les Paul contributed to the guitar. My beef with Strats is that Leo designed them to be cheap to make (priority number one), and to me, they look it & sound it. But some guys have done wonderful things with them, so those things can obviously be overcome in the right hands.
 
Re: POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

I'm tending to agree with the Strat as top pick, except I've always had a major disagreement with routing out SOOOO much wood, such as with the Stratocasters. I prefer to have as much solid wood between the neck joint and the bridge as possible, letting the routing take place mostly away from that line, but almost all pickup designs demand quite aggressive routing to take place. However, I think the regular manufacturers rout out much too much, considering what is required. Those pot holes look like Olympic swimming pools for crying out loud, and that takes away from body tone integrity.

How about Strat with a one-piece, two-post stop bridge, no tremolo and with the bridge and neck sitting a little higher so that the routing involved is a little less. Probably nice to add some routing out of body wood off on the sides, perhaps below a 1/2" maple cap on an alder body, maple neck, ebony or maple fingerboard. That would help direct body vibrations back towards the neck/bridge line. More sustain, richer tone. It would also make it (almost) a Tele.

SOMEONE INVENT NO-ROUT FLAT PICKUPS!
 
Re: POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

Blueman brought up some good points.

Why is it that the top two electric guitars in the world come with HORRIBLE stock pickups?

Even worse, how can Gibson justify their pricing WITH these pickups?

Nearly everyone I've ever heard talking about buying a new LP or Strat KNEW they would have to change the pickups when they made their purchases.

OTOH, my Parker Fly Mojo came stock with a SD JB/Jazz set. At this point, I have no intention of changing the pickups. I LIKE the sound of them.
 
Re: POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

SOMEONE INVENT NO-ROUT FLAT PICKUPS!


+1. So PU's can be direct-mounted to wood; better tone from full contact across the base plate, and a more intact body adds to sustain. This is easier in a Gibson-type design, where the neck is on an angle to the body. The bridge PU is fairly elevated to begin with. The neck wound need to be wound on a shorter coil. The PU wires could be hid by the pickguard, with one hole under there to run to the pots, toggle, and jack. I'm sure something could be figured out for basic PU height adjustments; if nothing else, maybe a set of wooden spacers? (we put a man on the moon, we can do this). This is an interesting concept and the bugs could be worked out with a little creativity.

Are some companies doing this already, and producing unrouted guitars & direct-mount PU's?
 
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+1. So PU's can be direct-mounted to wood; better tone from full contact across the base plate, and a more intact body adds to sustain. This is easier in a Gibson-type design, where the neck is on an angle to the body. The bridge PU is fairly elevated to begin with. The neck wound need to be wound on a shorter coil. The PU wires could be hid by the pickguard, with one hole under there to run to the pots, toggle, and jack. I'm sure something could be figured out for basic PU height adjustments; if nothing else, maybe a set of wooden spacers? (we put a man on the moon, we can do this). This is an interesting concept and the bugs could be worked out with a little creativity.

Are some companies doing this already, and producing unrouted guitars & direct-mount PU's?

I haven't seen unrouted guitars or flat pickups for electrics. I don't think it would be difficult and may be workable already. The typical humbucker pickup has a height that is perhaps 50% materials other than the coil winds. It varies. Maybe 30% is just leg section used for mounting. A flat pancake pickup would not be necessary; taking about 50%-60% off what we currently have, with a new way to mount them, would do it. I would imagine that the closer the pickup was to being vintage, with fewer winds, the easier to make this work. Lace's Alumitone is one such design that is smaller now, and even that is still about 50% the end legs used for mounting! Not representative of most pickups, but what the hey, it's a perfect example of a pickup ready for adaption into a new mounting strategy to prevent routing.

As you point out, the bridge pickups on guitars with tilted necks make this just that much easier, with the elevated bridge end. Why not start angling the necks on Strats and Tele's to help that situation out? Pickup directly on wood, the only routing would be a tiny channel drilled off to the side to carry wires over to the control area, which being off the line from neck to bridge, can afford to be routed out quite a bit.

If a tremolo system was still used, such as the typical Strat type, just assure that routing depth and width was absolutely minimized. Having the big drilled out area just behind the bridge would work wonders, instead of having it so directly under the bridge. How about putting the springs towards the ass end of the guitar instead of under the strings? That would allow that whole section to avoid being routed, bringing back loads of tone wood in a critical area; underneath the pickups, an area already routed out from above, leaving just a sliver of tone wood. Essentially, in a current Strat design, the body vibration goes from the neck, out into the sides of the guitar body, and then some small percentage will be transferred into the bridge. That's quite a loss of potential sustain and tone!

I ramble. I like the idea. I can hear it already.
 
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Re: POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

No one guitar design does it for me. Sometimes I want a tremolo and fast, low action. Other times I want the added sustain of a fixed bridge and heavy wood. For some stuff I play, nothing beats semi-hollow funk. Some styles call for twang that only comes from single coils, others cry for the rich harmonics of hummers on mahogany. No guitar is perfect, because there have been far too many contradictory innovations that could never be combined into one single instrument. And if anyone ever tried, it would break your back to play it.

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If I were stranded on the proverbial desert island with only one guitar, it would be a jumbo acoustic because that would serve as the best flotation device to get me back home to my babies.

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Re: POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

I selected warmoth custom features. I strongly believe a strat shaped guitar with a basswood body, HSH pickups, a floyd that only dives and some interesting body woods would make a near "perfect" guitar. (at least for me!)
 
Re: POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

I would go with a custom built Super Strat. About the thin PU's, I have a Kay with UP's that are only about 3/8" thick and mounted with no routing.
 
Re: POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

One must have one Superstrat style guitar and one Gibson Les Paul in his arsenal for those complex lovely buttery sweet flavors and chimey warm tingles called TONE.

Owning both types of guitars is like owning a fine well aged whiskey that one must have in his bar to savor.

Make sure to enjoy it neat!
 
Re: POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

Me encantan los "Superstrats".
 
Re: POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

Strat style guitars to me come very close to perfect. With partscasters you get what you want or what you can afford. Fast easy pickup swaps, a myriad of wiring options and the first of the most ergonomic guitars by far.
 
Re: POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

Even though this thread is ancient, I have to go with a custom build, because only with a custom build can you get all the features you want. And even then, I'd want to have 3 or 4 custom builds (and eventually will).
 
Re: POLL: "Perfect' or "Complete" guitar

No guitar is perfect for everything and, every guitar is perfect for something specific.
But, the guitar I see more complete is the PRS 513, it's like having three very different guitars in one:

Strato SSS
Superstrato HSH
High gain HSH

If she had also a Floyd Rose tremolo, just perfect.
 
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