Question for Duncan the company
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Luke Duke
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I KNEW it was a conspiracy! I knew there was an unfair bias against middle buckers pushed by the Govt. Finding out the JB prototype is so explosive masked me question everything!
I KNEW it was a conspiracy! I knew there was an unfair bias against middle buckers pushed by the Govt. Finding out the JB prototype is so explosive masked me question everything!
Derek Duncan
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Hey guys, Derek Duncan here. It seems like there are quite a few conspiracy theories floating around as to why we did not have a model represented in the PAF (err, P.A.F.) roundup in Guitar Player. Let me first say that there is no bad blood between Duncan and GP. There are no issues with advertising or social media or anything of that sort.
As many of you know my Dad has been dedicated to creating and recreating PAFs since before they were vintage or worth thousands of dollars. He set out to make great-sounding pickups, and history has always been a part of everything he enjoys, from guitars to Morse code machines. He has interviews with Seth Lover from the '70s, and when he set out to make his versions of a PAF he went out and had the bobbin mold made by the same injection molding company who made the originals. In the early ‘80s we even bought the actual Leesona winder from Gibson that wound the PAFs in the Gibson factory in the ‘50s and ‘60s. This was before any of that mattered in the mind of customers or became a marketing tool, but it was what was proven to make a great pickup. Our Antiquity line was created by my dad in the early 90s to bring those regretfully modded vintage guitars back closer to their vintage roots, and not because it was boutique.
When it came down to selecting only one PAF model for the roundup, we couldn’t come to a consensus and we didn’t feel we had anything as far as a “new and exciting” version to showcase. With a dozen or so PAF era models in our lineup, it can be difficult to find “the one."
We sincerely appreciate all of the passion being displayed over this topic. I’m sure 38 years ago Cathy and Seymour never would have imagined that so many people would share the love for pickups that they had.
Hey guys, Derek Duncan here. It seems like there are quite a few conspiracy theories floating around as to why we did not have a model represented in the PAF (err, P.A.F.) roundup in Guitar Player. Let me first say that there is no bad blood between Duncan and GP. There are no issues with advertising or social media or anything of that sort.
As many of you know my Dad has been dedicated to creating and recreating PAFs since before they were vintage or worth thousands of dollars. He set out to make great-sounding pickups, and history has always been a part of everything he enjoys, from guitars to Morse code machines. He has interviews with Seth Lover from the '70s, and when he set out to make his versions of a PAF he went out and had the bobbin mold made by the same injection molding company who made the originals. In the early ‘80s we even bought the actual Leesona winder from Gibson that wound the PAFs in the Gibson factory in the ‘50s and ‘60s. This was before any of that mattered in the mind of customers or became a marketing tool, but it was what was proven to make a great pickup. Our Antiquity line was created by my dad in the early 90s to bring those regretfully modded vintage guitars back closer to their vintage roots, and not because it was boutique.
When it came down to selecting only one PAF model for the roundup, we couldn’t come to a consensus and we didn’t feel we had anything as far as a “new and exciting” version to showcase. With a dozen or so PAF era models in our lineup, it can be difficult to find “the one."
We sincerely appreciate all of the passion being displayed over this topic. I’m sure 38 years ago Cathy and Seymour never would have imagined that so many people would share the love for pickups that they had.
misterwhizzy
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I don't understand. Are you giving up? Unconditional surrender?
I don't understand. Are you giving up? Unconditional surrender?
darthphineas
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lol!
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lol!
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Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
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Sokay....i knew what you meant the second time i read it.
this is funny to me, cos in australia, if something is "on the nose"....then it kinda stinks.
Sokay....i knew what you meant the second time i read it.
Luke Duke
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Thanks for posting Derek! Very cool to see you on here.
I appreciate the input but I still think that you guys should have sent in something. I mean your dad wrote the book on vintage correct and guys like John at Throbak, judging from his site, are just building off what he started. Though for the regular production line I only count 4 PAFs: 59s, PGs, Seths, and Ants. Custom Shop I see 78, Greenie, and Brobucker. The Jazz and A2P don't use PE wire so I didn't figure they'd be considered PAFs. So...which ones am I missing?
Personally I'd have LOVED to see you guys blow everyone out of the water and put the "upstarts in their place" with the Bonamassas. Right now he is the "poster boy" for vintage meets modern tone. Additionally I think the spin you guys should have done was having your dad cook up something special specifically for the review and then used it as an opportunity to showcase the custom shop and talk about the GP article about MJ a year ago...then you can blow those other guys' pricing out of the water for a CUSTOM wound PAF.
Just my thoughts.
Just as a point of clarification, because I've always wondered, did your mom used to wind pickups "in the old days" too? I see her mentioned in the literature a lot.
Thanks again for signing on and don't be a stranger!
Luke
Thanks for posting Derek! Very cool to see you on here.
I appreciate the input but I still think that you guys should have sent in something. I mean your dad wrote the book on vintage correct and guys like John at Throbak, judging from his site, are just building off what he started. Though for the regular production line I only count 4 PAFs: 59s, PGs, Seths, and Ants. Custom Shop I see 78, Greenie, and Brobucker. The Jazz and A2P don't use PE wire so I didn't figure they'd be considered PAFs. So...which ones am I missing?
Personally I'd have LOVED to see you guys blow everyone out of the water and put the "upstarts in their place" with the Bonamassas. Right now he is the "poster boy" for vintage meets modern tone. Additionally I think the spin you guys should have done was having your dad cook up something special specifically for the review and then used it as an opportunity to showcase the custom shop and talk about the GP article about MJ a year ago...then you can blow those other guys' pricing out of the water for a CUSTOM wound PAF.
Just my thoughts.
Just as a point of clarification, because I've always wondered, did your mom used to wind pickups "in the old days" too? I see her mentioned in the literature a lot.
Thanks again for signing on and don't be a stranger!
Luke
freefrog
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Glad to read something wrote in my mother tongue...
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This is a clever thought, that we can apply to the shootout itself:
http://www.guitarplayer.com/video/gear/3395697489001
Glad to read something wrote in my mother tongue...
)This is a clever thought, that we can apply to the shootout itself:
http://www.guitarplayer.com/video/gear/3395697489001
LtKojak
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Am I the only one thinking this "shootout" was pretty bad, speciallly the overdriven sound?
There's little to no tone difference between p'ups in the cleans, and absolutely no difference overdriven, makin'em ALL sound pretty bad?
Or am I just being a mean, grumpy old man?
Am I the only one thinking this "shootout" was pretty bad, speciallly the overdriven sound?
There's little to no tone difference between p'ups in the cleans, and absolutely no difference overdriven, makin'em ALL sound pretty bad?
Or am I just being a mean, grumpy old man?
DreX
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As has been said, Guitar Player calls it a "roundup" and a "comparison", not a "shootout" which would imply the intent is to find the "best", and that is not apparently their objective. My only complaint is that there's a lot of compression coming from somewhere, the recording equipment or the amp, which made it hard to listen for dynamics as they player strummed the strings, and I could tell they weren't all the same dynamically.
I'd like to see something like this for Strat pickups, since I give a **** about Strat pickups.
As has been said, Guitar Player calls it a "roundup" and a "comparison", not a "shootout" which would imply the intent is to find the "best", and that is not apparently their objective. My only complaint is that there's a lot of compression coming from somewhere, the recording equipment or the amp, which made it hard to listen for dynamics as they player strummed the strings, and I could tell they weren't all the same dynamically.
I'd like to see something like this for Strat pickups, since I give a **** about Strat pickups.
El Supremo
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Whole Lotta Humbucker, hands down absolutely perfect.
Whole Lotta Humbucker, hands down absolutely perfect.
blueman335
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I wish that one of your PAF's would have been in the comparison. You deserve the exposure in something like that. Yes, you have a lot of great PAF's; all the more reason to participate and let people know how passionate Duncan is about them.
I wish that one of your PAF's would have been in the comparison. You deserve the exposure in something like that. Yes, you have a lot of great PAF's; all the more reason to participate and let people know how passionate Duncan is about them.
the guy who invented fire
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I think that's how I feel about it too.
I mean Throbak offers nothing but PAFs, more sets than Duncsn FEIW...yet Jon was able to pick one set and it in.
For that matter how many flavors dies Gibson sell at this point yet they were able to send in a set!!
It's just kind of sad deal...since Seymour set the standard for PAF style pickups there have been dozens of new kids on the block and when Duncan got the chance to stand and prove they still have what it takes they just passed...
Oh well.
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I think that's how I feel about it too.
I mean Throbak offers nothing but PAFs, more sets than Duncsn FEIW...yet Jon was able to pick one set and it in.
For that matter how many flavors dies Gibson sell at this point yet they were able to send in a set!!
It's just kind of sad deal...since Seymour set the standard for PAF style pickups there have been dozens of new kids on the block and when Duncan got the chance to stand and prove they still have what it takes they just passed...
Oh well.
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blueman335
Mojo's Minions
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+1. And Duncan PAF's outperform Gibson's; they can't compete with Seth's, WLH's, and Bonamassa's. There's a common misconception among a lot of players that because Gibson introduced HB's in the 1950's, they have the secret original formula and must still make the best ones. That article would have been an ideal platform to educate the average guitarist on the Seth, and Seymour's work with Seth Lover in developing that PU. That's a huge amount of credibility, and unfortunately that article is now a missed opportunity for Duncan.
+1. And Duncan PAF's outperform Gibson's; they can't compete with Seth's, WLH's, and Bonamassa's. There's a common misconception among a lot of players that because Gibson introduced HB's in the 1950's, they have the secret original formula and must still make the best ones. That article would have been an ideal platform to educate the average guitarist on the Seth, and Seymour's work with Seth Lover in developing that PU. That's a huge amount of credibility, and unfortunately that article is now a missed opportunity for Duncan.
CTN
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Maybe Seymour Duncan should hire a bunch of armchair CEOs from the internet to run his company. That's a far better idea than grooming his son to run the company after he grew up living and breathing pickups.
You guys are being FAR too uppity about this, and aren't showing Derek even the slightest bit of respect. Shameful.
Maybe Seymour Duncan should hire a bunch of armchair CEOs from the internet to run his company. That's a far better idea than grooming his son to run the company after he grew up living and breathing pickups.
You guys are being FAR too uppity about this, and aren't showing Derek even the slightest bit of respect. Shameful.
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
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This forum exists to help the company, not to be ultimate fanbois and shower praises on it for making boneheaded decisions, that does nobody any good. Guys aren't going to search the SD forum to find out why SD declined. Declining the roundup makes SD look afraid of something, not like a pack leader.
I've met Seymour and I've shown him respect, but at the end of the day a company without consumers isn't a company for much longer. The only reason Throbak and all those other small PAF focused companies exist is because at some point SD started resting on their laurels instead of moving toward the ultimate in vintage correctness, for better or ill.
Per the rules we are allowed to criticize SD, just not other manufacturers since they aren't here to defend themselves.
This forum exists to help the company, not to be ultimate fanbois and shower praises on it for making boneheaded decisions, that does nobody any good. Guys aren't going to search the SD forum to find out why SD declined. Declining the roundup makes SD look afraid of something, not like a pack leader.
I've met Seymour and I've shown him respect, but at the end of the day a company without consumers isn't a company for much longer. The only reason Throbak and all those other small PAF focused companies exist is because at some point SD started resting on their laurels instead of moving toward the ultimate in vintage correctness, for better or ill.
Per the rules we are allowed to criticize SD, just not other manufacturers since they aren't here to defend themselves.
Jocelyn
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I don't think Seymour or anyone in the company need to explain to anyone why they did not send their pickups for "roundup", no matter how curious any of us including me are. Derek answered the question, (and he seriously did not even need to) and I think this should end there.
I don't think Seymour or anyone in the company need to explain to anyone why they did not send their pickups for "roundup", no matter how curious any of us including me are. Derek answered the question, (and he seriously did not even need to) and I think this should end there.
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