Reb Beach in Whitesnake?

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Doug' style fits the snake better for sure and does a real good job paying homage to Sykes. But Reb IMO, is a more varied and tasteful player.

Sykes makes them both look like little kids :laugh2:

John did not get all the credit he deserved on the "1987" album. He basically wrote nearly everything but the lyrics..unfortunately he was working for the Ego-maniac of all Ego-maniacs (who also happens to have just about the best voice in Rock, ever AFAIC).

Basically John Sykes was Coverdale's Jake E. Lee...though John's major contribution made Whitesnake a major player in states and pretty much, the world. As much as I love Marsden/Moody...Whitesnake was on a serious downward spiral material-wise. Coverdale's sinus problems almost put them out of business due to the lag time between records & problems with touring.

Sykes saved Coverdale & Whitesnake's @$$

After John leaves...another serious downward spiral. Adrian/Vivian while acomplished players and songwriters..*when they are in charge and playing their own thing* couldn't hang in Whitesnake. Vai was a poor fit at best...that was just a marketing/business decision...not a musical one. Vai was the "next coming of god" in guitar players at the time, and was done with DLR (where he was a MUCH better fit) .Coverdale is no fool (for your loving :D ) when it comes to business. He got jerked around with Ritchie, hated him for it, and basically turned into Ritchie by making sure he never was not in complete control again.

Go listen to Blue Murder or John's Solo stuff ... You'll hear why "1987" became the hit it did. The production was not just the big deal..John has little to no weakness as a musician or as a guitar player. he can sing...quite good...god knows he can play, and he can write/produce/arrange. He approached songs as SONGS, not as wankfests. Funny thing is John almost never became a singer...he wanted someone else to sing in Blue Murder...they ended up using his "demo" vocals cos they couldn't find anyone in the time they were allotted. His live versions of the songs he wrote with the Snake are far better versions than the three Vs ever could pull off (Viv/Vandy/Vai)

SYKES WAS FRAMED, FRAMED I TELL YOU!!!

:end rant: :laugh2:
 
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Who played on Slide it in? Slow & Easy? Love ain't no stranger, Love Hunter? etc....

Sykes was ROBBED!

Sykes is Whitesnake! The way Eddie is Van Halen (But Dave was the other half of the equation.)
 
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Doug' style fits the snake better for sure and does a real good job paying homage to Sykes. But Reb IMO, is a more varied and tasteful player.

Sykes makes them both look like little kids :laugh2:

Have you even seen Doug Aldrich in Whitesnake? The guy plays the Sykes stuff almost as good as John himself, he handles the Vai material with class and ease and the moody/marsden stuff is given proper and appropriate tribute. The guy is clearly the best guy for the job right now...

John did not get all the credit he deserved on the "1987" album. He basically wrote nearly everything but the lyrics..unfortunately he was working for the Ego-maniac of all Ego-maniacs (who also happens to have just about the best voice in Rock, ever AFAIC).

Again, I'm not going to take away anything from John Sykes...He's squarely in my top 3 of guitarists in my book....right behind EVH.

However....Sykes did not write 'nearly everything' on s/t, as already mentioned. He had nothing to do with Hear I Go Again or Crying In The Rain...they were songs that were redone from previous recordings...
 
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Moody & Marsden, the original whitesnake guitarists...In fact, Moody/Marsden did most of Slide it In.

Mel Galley actually played most of SIN...John did a few solos, and also some of the backing vocals. Bernie and Mickey were out of the band by then.

2 out of 10 or so (pends on whether you count "you're Gonna Break my heart again" )songs Sykes did not write/provide the ideas/guitar work for on "1987". I don't know about where you are from, but in the math classes I took , that would constitute he handled "most of" it :D
 
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Mel Galley actually played most of SIN...John did a few solos, and also some of the backing vocals. Bernie and Mickey were out of the band by then.

I stand corrected...I do know Sykes played very little on SIN.

As for the math bit....I consider 'nearly everything' to be a bit more than 'most'.....80% is not 'nearly everything'...it can certainly be consider most...the distinction lies in the word choice.

As I said, I'm not taking away Sykes contribution...which is simply amazing...and did a great deal to propel whitesnake in the US, in 87.


However, the comments that Sykes=whitesnake is just simply bafoonery...The band is and always will be Coverdale...and folks that steal too much thunder from Coverdale get jetisoned. Which is exactly what happened to Sykes. To suggest that the guy is the heart of a band that was/is/and always will have a death grip by the lead singer...is silly.
 
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The GT in the DVD has a CC in the bridge. That infor came from Doug himself.

I think Doug and Reb do a great job with Whitesnake.

Reb takes a "back seat" because Doug is the band leader. That's the job he was hired to do. They are both monster players. I don't think it's fair to say that either one is "better" than the other.

And for the record... Sykes is god!
 
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Reb and Doug are two of my favorite players. I've met them both on a few occasions and as well as being monster players, they are top guys. Last time I chatted to them both was during the current tour and they now split the solos 50/50 and Reb gets a solo spot too. Reb has now ditched his Marshalls in favour of Custom Audio Electronics OD100 heads while Doug is using a mix of his Cameron modded Marshalls, CAE OD 100's and an Engl Powerball which he is really digging.

I like Sykes' playing too. While he helped redefine WS, I wouldn't say he 'is' Whitesnake. I'd also heard that he doesn't play the solo on Here I Go Again, which was the breakthrough song from 1987. Rumour has it that he took the tapes with the solo on when he left and that Adrian Vandenburg plays the Album solo, while Dann Huff plays on the radio edit single. Only a rumour mind you.....
 
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Who did the solos on Is this Love? Always loved the tone and melodies in the 2 solos...
 
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Get Bad Boy Live... awesome renditions of some of the songs on the 87 album.

I love Aldrich... got the Evil or Divine DVD and LITSOTN DVD. I think he gets too much attention over Reb. Doug uses too much gain, IMO. Still, he's far more prominent in the mix. Like Jeff said, Reb has more taste but equal flash. Examples: Give Me All Your Love, Fool For Your Loving. His facial expressions are gold!


Whilst arguments are being thrown around about who is 'more of Whitesnake', we can all agree that Sykes got screwed.



Off-topic, but the harmony in the chorus of Bad Boys (on the live DVD) is awesome. Some love for Mendoza on vox, too.
 
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Who did the solos on Is this Love? Always loved the tone and melodies in the 2 solos...

That entire album is John Sykes.

That vid DeanSweden posted of Reb in Dokken is pretty good. I catch a hint of Zakk Wylde stance and image though (the pants, vest, etc.).
 
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That entire album is John Sykes.

Not quite, the solo on Here I Go Again is Adrian Vandenberg. Sykes doesn't particularly like that solo as he had been quoted as saying that particular solo was "All Thumbs"... :chairfall
 
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Not quite, the solo on Here I Go Again is Adrian Vandenberg. Sykes doesn't particularly like that solo as he had been quoted as saying that particular solo was "All Thumbs"... :chairfall

Ok, so 8 measures or so aren't. :fingersx: Still, everything else is him.
 
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That vid DeanSweden posted of Reb in Dokken is pretty good. I catch a hint of Zakk Wylde stance and image though (the pants, vest, etc.).

Yeah, it's pretty cool :)
But there's something missing ...

I have that whole concert on DVD stuffed away with the
other homemade DVD's .. might have to dig it out before I
hit the hay :)
 
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Sykes most def is NOT Whitesnake..never said that...I did say hwoever he SAVED the snake...and thats the truth..and he is a MAJOR reason WS is still looked upon fondly..lets face it...Most people do not know WS existed before 1987....but every chick who listened to the radio back then still knows/can sing the words to HIGA and ITL. IDK if anyone remembers hearing that album for the first time, but until then there were NO Hard Rock/Metal albums that had that absolutely HUGE THICK sound. Not VH, Not Ozzy, Not any of the LA bands, Not Metallica. The drums, the singing, the guitars, the bass ...That was a NEW sound.

John was a huge part in making WS a WORLDWIDE success....before that...they were only popular in europe and a little in Asia and mostly known as "that band with a few guys from Deep Purple" (side note:most people, many musicians included prolly know nothing about Coverdale ever being in DP...) Slide It In, had a *very* little airplay here...Slow n' Easy in particular. After 1987? Next album was a huge disappoitment...in every single way..Coverdales singing...the songwriting was pretty poor (*cough* john wasn't helping to write *cough * :laugh2: )..well.. barring the remake of Fool For Your Lovin. and Steve's playing was pretty lackluster (for him) and def out of place for the music/band.

And yup Vandy played the solo on the studio version of 1987s HIGA...any metal guitarplayer worth his salt should be able tell the difference in tone (marshall vs. John's Mesas) if not the style :laugh2: JK...but seriously , ever hear John *stumble* an ascending run like that in the end of the solo ? Thats not a slight on vandy..he's one of my faves, just that he's very choppy sounding compared to Johns much more fluid style.
 
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