Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

danglybanger

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ok... so I own a Vox AD30VT... and for the past week or so I've been custodian of a cheapass Crate 15 watt solid state POS that I'm not even going to bother to look up the name...

Guess which one I've been playing more.

Alright, the Crate is by no means a great amp... it's pretty much mud city, but believe it or not I can get some more than decent tones out of it if I tweak it enough... The lead channel isn't the most useful thing in the world, but I've found a few settings where it actually sounds good, especially using the clean channel...

I've been ABing the Vox and the Crate, and come to a truth: I like playing through the crate more :smack:

Somehow it allows more nuance to show through when you play... The Jag really sounds like a Jag. Strat like a Strat. Mustang like a Mustang. Well, not that those guitars didn't sound that way through the Vox... but it's even moreso on even this "****ty" solid state thing.

The only analogy I can make... A modelling amp sounds like a recording of a guitar. Any other sort of amp sounds like you're actually in the room, playing the guitar :laugh2:

I'm not comparing the Crate to even a little Fender Champ or a JCM2000 or something... I know either of those amps would blow EITHER of these away...

By no means is the Vox a bad amp. But it's got the same issues I've always hated about modelling amps.

My first amp was a Line 6 Spider I 50 watt, which is honest to god the ****tiest amp ever. I gave it away, because I felt too guilty about selling it to someone who didn't know what it sounded like :laugh2: sounded like there was a blanket over it, sounded fake, indistinct... it was awful. A few years ago I heard some salesman demoing a Spider II... thought they would have improved, in reality it was bad enough that I just walked away...

I had (still have) a 5 watt Johnson practice amp about the size of a slice of bread that is SUPPOSED to be the ****tiest amp ever, but actually sounded good compared to that Line 6.

Traded the Line 6 in for the Vox, which sounds MUCH better... there are a lot of things I like about the Vox, and modelling amp technology in particular: Lots of models in case you're flighty and want a different sound, and this Vox CUTS... I'm not going to sell it. It's easy to lug around, doesn't sound BAD... I'll record with it probably. But still, it's got that detattched feeling... like listening to an MP3 instead of a record...

I broke it out that old Johnson 5 watt today. Maybe it's not the best sounding amp... the Vox can definitely sound better from a listener's perspective... but it's responsive... it retains nuance... it feels like a real amp. I feel like I can connect with it.

Am I speaking an alien language? Chime in if you know what I'm talkin' :laugh2:

Good news :D I DO still have that 100 Watt Fender Libra lying around that I've been neglecting to fix up just because it's solid state...

And since my mini-revelation is "I don't happen to hate solid state that much" today, maybe I'll at least find it better than any modelling amp ;)
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

Because modeling is digital and solid state is analog...

Join the anti-modeler brotherhood!


And I have the same feeling about the vox. I had been playing a warlock with an EMG81 into it then I plugged my ric in and it sounded the same so I sat the vox in the closet from that day on. And couldn't be happier.
 
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Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

No, it just makes anything sound good clean. Also the same heh...

Note the word "good." No where near great, a roland cube 60 will eat it alive for cleans and distortion.
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

i tried the 30 watt version at guitar center and it sounded like complete ass! but i have the 50 watter and it sounds amazing with my schecter hellraiser! isnt supposed to be exactly the same thing?
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

No, it just makes anything sound good clean. Also the same heh...

Note the word "good." No where near great, a roland cube 60 will eat it alive for cleans and distortion.

that might be right on. The cleans are better than the distorteds... and like I said. It doesn't sound bad. Just not much character.

I heard someone play a cube once, but I don't think they knew how to use an EQ...
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

The Eq on the roland is tricky. As are the distortion models.

Also the vox might not sound bad if you could put it through an open back 2x12 but the closed back 10inch cab sucks for a buzzy/bassy amp.
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

I think modeling amps sound good, but they kind of just have their own sound no matter what guitar your playing. If you play a nice tube amp, the guitar just has more influence in the tone imo. Still I like the Vox digital amps, incredible value for the money.
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

I think modeling amps sound good, but they kind of just have their own sound no matter what guitar your playing. If you play a nice tube amp, the guitar just has more influence in the tone imo. Still I like the Vox digital amps, incredible value for the money.

You don't need a tube amp to have the guitar influence the amp. Any decent solid state will do well.

The modeling circuit just loses the guitar's natural tone in the tone shaping process.
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

****ty modelers do the things you guys are describing, good ones don't. Step up to the higher end Vox amps and you'll feel/hear the difference right away.

You might also want to look at Sansamp amps. They keep he versatility of a modeler, but they have an analog SS circuit.
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

I suggest getting a REAL guitar first, before condeming your Vox. Something "normal" shaped and "normal" colored. That may help quite a bit. :laugh2:
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

I've also been testing it with this thing in the middle...
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IT CAN LEAVE!!! :laugh2: Unsatisfactory. On any of the amps ;) It doesn't have the Jag/Mustang goodness. Take it away!!!


Don't judge me by the color of my guitar's skin :D
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

Modelling's cool for general mucking about, and portability and fx in a box to boot. But when it comes right back down to it...life's too short to hold back. I'd say look into a little 10 - 30 watt all valve amp. You'll really never be able to go back, and in a good way. Laney VC15 sounds killer with my CIJ Jazzmaster. Or brew your own P1 ax84.com. Fun informative and not huge money, and you end up with a Fender Champ tweed clone.
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

hehe... I'm thinking about getting a Silverface champ ad modding it. My friend has a GREAT pro junior... but like you said... why hold back :D I'll get the silverface.

(I think Silvers look cooler than blacks :smokin:)

Or I'll look into the laneys...

til then I'll patch up this old Libra...
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

Silverfaces definitely look better! My dad has an old Silverface Fender Princeton from the 60's, it's just cool as ****!
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

I'm starting to dislike my podxt more and more.....and like my mesa boogie studio 22 more and more. As others have stated....its not a tone thing....its a 'connection' or feel thing. The mesa is inspiring to play,.......the pod just does its job

But i cant play the mesa in the middle of the night.....and cant record the mesa as easily....and the mesa doesnt have cool effects....so the pod stays
 
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Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

In the tubes vs. modelling debate, analog solid state sometimes gets overlooked. I love my Tech 21! :bigok:
 
Re: Revelation: I don't like modelling amps

Aren't some Yamaha modelers analog too? The DG series or something like that.

Anyway, all I can say is that my guitars sound very different from each other on my Cube 60, regardless if I'm playing on a clean setting, on an overdriven setting, or the rectifier mode! Certainly the 'modeling' isn't taking over the guitar's natural tone.

And yeah, the Cube 60's EQ is very tricky as Mephis mentioned; on low volumes it's just hopeless, I think it sounds pretty bad. However on high volumes it starts delivering... me likey. :D
 
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