Revstar RSE20 alternative wiring for out of phase and coil split

[booker1]

Hi there,
Here is new member of this forum saying hello to everyone. Looking forward to good discussions. Right away I’ve got a thing that am not sure can be achieved but maybe it can. I have been looking with no luck for wiring diagram for my lefty Yamaha Revstar RSE20 with 2 Humbuckers 1 push pull volume 1 push pull tone and a regular 5-way blade switch for out of phase and coil split on both pickups. This naturally applies to other guitar with that configuration such as Telecaster with 2 humbuckers. I am not an expert on this so not sure if thats even possible without superswitch. Maybe some of you went through this before. If you could shed some light on this I would really appreciate it.

 

[jeremy]

welcome to the forum!

you want one p/p to split both pups, and the other p/p for phase? thats do able. there is also a cool benefit in that you get to switch coils on the pup that has the phase switch when split. do you want that on the bridge pup or neck?

 

[booker1]

Ideally I would need volume push pull pot for neck pickup split, tone push pull for bridge split and out of phase on 4 or 5 (with 1-3 positions being neck, both pickups, bridge) position 5-way switch if that makes sense.

 

[booker1]

Perhaps better solution would be to have coil split function in volume push pull pot and out of phase in tone push pull pot. Then when the switch is in specific position like neck pickup, bridge pickup or both pickups push pull pots in up position would trigger coil split, out of phase or both in the same time. In that scenario 3-way blade switch would be probably sufficient. Would this type of wiring be possible?

 

[Mincer]

If the 3 way switch was in any position other than the middle, the out of phase switch wouldn't do anything. You could have that pickup coil split, but there would be nothing for that coil to be out of phase with.
Also, let's say you are using both coils for the neck pickup. You want to go to middle position (both pickups split) but out of phase. You would have to switch to the middle position, pull the volume and then pull the tone. That's a lot of switching if you have to get to that sound quickly. Some people just want the versatility, and that's cool, but I need to get to the sounds I will actually use very quickly. While you are planning this, you can decide how you like to work.

 

[marcello252]

with standard component I think you could use a 3 way switch to have bridge, bridge + neck, neck , then you can use a pushpull dpdt to split coil both pickups at the same time (not independently) and another pushpull dpdt to inverse the phase on one pickup, for more complicated stuff you need a superswitch, but in any case fasten your seatbelt for a mess regarding the wiring

 

[booker1]

Im ready. I have this Seymour Duncan scheme with 3-way blade switch for coil split. Can it be modified to add out of phase? Would replacing the switch for 5-way could help?

 

[marcello252]

start moving the red white junction from tone knob switch to the volume switch on the same position of the other but on the oher side of the switch, adding the additional wire to ground, this act as a double split on the same pot.

Next unsolder green and black wire from Neck pickup and connect it on the two lugs on one side of the dpdt on the tone, the two central lugs must be connected with two wires where the green and black wires were connected before, then add two wires 'crossed' from thw two lugs where you connected green and black to the two lugs on the other side of the switch, it's difficult to explain and I've been approssimative because it's better if you look for a common out of phase switch wiring (I think there are some on SD archive too) much easier to understand

 

[marcello252]

Would replacing the switch for 5-way could help?

no, unless it's a superswitch

 

[booker1]

I found the diagram with out of phase and two pickups coil split but with 3-way toggle switch. This is a compromise but how can I wire it with a blade switch instead of toggle switch

 

[Artie]

Don't you just want this: Diagram with lever switch

 

[booker1]

Yes I do. I must have overlooked this one. I will go with this one. Thank you.

 

[marcello252]

Don't you just want this: Diagram with lever switch

this

 

[Juanhanglo]

The only way to pick and choose what switch position selects a pickup/s is to use a super switch.

Superswitches are a bit tricky to wire, but once you know how to do it, its pretty easy.

The splits can be done on thev2 current p/p pots.

The phase can be done on a new third p/p pot.

You then only need a 3 way switch. That is easy to wire up.

 

[booker1]

Thank you for suggestions. I think for now I will go with regular 3-way switch and see how this works.