School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

[B Bent]

I remember playing through a 2x12 with 25 watt Greenbacks once at GC and LOVED the tone. I think it was one of those 2061 handwired Marshall deals that was pushing it. Again, rad tone! I am thinking of picking a 12" up but seem to recall some are made in China now and are crap...or are they? School me.

Also, how much should I pay? I dont mind used if it is in great condition.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

Speakers are, as always a matter of choice...

However I will say that a single greenback has a lot less fullness than a pair of them in a closed back cab.

As for the Chinese made Celestions don't believe the crap on the web...they sound as good as before if not better.

 

[B Bent]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

Speakers are, as always a matter of choice...

However I will say that a single greenback has a lot less fullness than a pair of them in a closed back cab.

As for the Chinese made Celestions don't believe the crap on the web...they sound as good as before if not better.

I hear ya man. I was just curious. I am toying with the idea of getting one and trying it in my 1482 until I figure out a cab for my Tonemaster clone. I would then use it for the Tonemaster and if I REALLLLY loved it in the 1482, I could buy another one.

I actually had an idea cross my mind just now. A buddy of mine let me borrow his Burris 1x12 cab that has a 12" WGS Reaper in it. That cab sounded AMAZING with my Tonemaster! The Reaper from the WGS site is supposed to be a clone of a G12H30 Anniversary Edition which WGS describes as a Green Beret (their GB clone) on steroids. I liked it with the Tonemaster, but may be too clean and loud sounding for the 1482.

I am just in an experimental mood and have tons more knowledge of 10's than 12's.

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

Warm, Woody, Punchy. Of course the sound 60's Clapton .
Great in a 4x12 Marshall cloded back cabinet.
I was really stoked to see Celstion develop the 'Creamback' - not to be confused with the Clestio 1970's greenback with cream cover ( higher power handling greenback);

http://celestion.com/product/123/g12m65_creamback/

There are some that love to mix a G12H with a G12M Greenback, but Im not one of them..I hate the way the G12H Qaushes the greenback.

I love a Greenback together with Heritage G12M-20, or the Brown sound with sweet and rich highs.

Not sure about Chinese Celestions. I dont mind one in the cabinet , but I wouldnt run all chinese, but TGWIF is right Im sure, but i think early on there were some problems, that they ironed out.

I run mostly old Greenbacks in vintage Marshall cabinets. They sound better, but the new ones also sound great.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

I hear ya man. I was just curious. I am toying with the idea of getting one and trying it in my 1482 until I figure out a cab for my Tonemaster clone. I would then use it for the Tonemaster and if I REALLLLY loved it in the 1482, I could buy another one.

I actually had an idea cross my mind just now. A buddy of mine let me borrow his Burris 1x12 cab that has a 12" WGS Reaper in it. That cab sounded AMAZING with my Tonemaster! The Reaper from the WGS site is supposed to be a clone of a G12H30 Anniversary Edition which WGS describes as a Green Beret (their GB clone) on steroids. I liked it with the Tonemaster, but may be too clean and loud sounding for the 1482.

I am just in an experimental mood and have tons more knowledge of 10's than 12's.

I'm not familiar with the WGS speakers...there were a LOT of DOA speakers when they were new and a lot of other issues with cone cry so I never even bought one,

The G12H30 is a louder/fuller speaker for a 1x12 open back set up but I like greenbacks better myself.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

Warm, Woody, Punchy. Of course the sound 60's Clapton .
Great in a 4x12 Marshall cloded back cabinet.
I was really stoked to see Celstion develop the 'Creamback' - not to be confused with the Clestio 1970's greenback with cream cover ( higher power handling greenback);

http://celestion.com/product/123/g12m65_creamback/

There are some that love to mix a G12H with a G12M Greenback, but Im not one of them..I hate the way the G12H Qaushes the greenback.

I love a Greenback together with Heritage G12M-20, gor the Brown sound with sweet and rich highs.

Not sure about Chinese Ckestions. I dont mind one in the cabinet , but I wouldnt run all chinese, but TGWIF is right Im sure, but i think eraly on there werer some problems, that they ironed out.

I run mostly old Greenbacks in vintage Marshall cabinets. They sound better, but the new ones also sound great.

I'm having a hard time following your post...

The G12M25's from the 70's with the cream ring are THE SAME as the G12M25's with the green ring or the black ring.

The new Celestion Creamback is a higher powered Greenback voiced speaker.

There are not now and have never been any issues with the Celestions made in China, in fact if you talk to builders that use lots of Celestion speakers you'll find out that once production switched to China there were less cone cry issues and overall better QC.

How is it that the old ones "sound better"???

Just curious?

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

The G12M25's from the 70's with the cream ring are THE SAME as the G12M25's with the green ring or the black ring.

Oh yeah, well, thats what I was saying.

There are not now and have never been any issues with the Celestions made in China, in fact if you talk to builders that use lots of Celestion speakers you'll find out that once production switched to China there were less cone cry issues and overall better QC.

Ive heard different, that at first some didnt like some of them them, and Celestion themselves admitted there were some issues at first.

How is it that the old ones "sound better"???

Just curious?

You mean you dont think they do? I'd have guessed youd proBably side with 'vintage is better' .
Im sure I don't have to tell you vintage speakerS in decent conditon are getting harder to find, and command a premium price, especially 70's greenbacks and G12h-30's ( THE g12H-30 is a great speaker by the way-even the new Heritage G12h-30..just think Hendrix - really one the prime speakers of choice for JMP Master model Marshalls and old Superleads).
In general, everything vintage sounds better, and there is a large following of vintage speaker guys , because of the old formulas that can't be followed anymore ( OOHS compliance and crap) and the old way they made them etc..

..COME ON MAN!! ..I'm not telling you nothing you don't already know.

BTW..I'm not inebriated..just nice and toasty with Boddingtons Ale, which I know you like..I have a memory like an Ephelant.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

Oh yeah, well, thats what I was saying.



Ive heard different, that at first some didnt like some of them them, and Celestion themselves admitted there were some issues at first.





You mean you dont think they do? I'd have guessed youd proBably side with 'vintage is better' .
Im sure I don't have to tell you vintage speakerS in decent conditon are getting harder to find, and command a premium price, especially 70's greenbacks and G12h-30's ( THE g12H-30 is a great speaker by the way-even the new Heritage G12h-30..just think Hendrix - really one the prime speakers of choice for JMP Master model Marshalls and old Superleads).
In general, everything vintage sounds better, and there is a large following of vintage speaker guys , because of the old formulas that can't be followed anymore ( OOHS compliance and crap) and the old way they made them etc..

..COME ON MAN!! ..I'm not telling you nothing you don't already know.

BTW..I'm not inebriated..just nice and toasty with Boddingtons Ale, which I know you like..I have a memory like an Ephelant.

I've spoken with several different builders that use Celestion speakers plus folks from Celestion and have never once heard anyone say there was an issue with the early MIC speakers.

Vintage is NOT better, it's just older...MANY vintage guitars, amps, speakers, tubes, pedals, cords, etc suck and some are quite good. FWIW, I have had more issues with cone cry out of vintage Celestion speakers than any other speaker regardless of age and brand ever.

Not a big fan of Boddingtons Ale much at all truth be told.

It's spelled Elephant.

Stop derailing this mans thread...all he wants is info on a speaker.

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

Not a big fan of Boddingtons Ale much at all truth be told.

It's spelled Elephant.

Stop derailing this mans thread...all he wants is info on a speaker.

No backsass here bro..just like talkin' gear. Happy Holidays.

 

[B Bent]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

So would you get a MIC Celestion or the MIA WGS clone? The WGS is $70 whereas the G12M is $125.

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

I'd look for a used G12M myself. To me, the G12M is one of the crunchiest Celestions. Crunchier than a G12H30, G1265 or Vintage 30.

Imagine a big knife slicing through a head of lettuce and the sound it makes...a nice woody sounding "crunch". The mids of the G12M have a tone that's kind of a combination of a "crunch", a "chunk" and a "honk" to my ears. Chonky!

Always liked them, especially in a 4 x 12, but they define my tone more than I want. The G12M really has its own sound, whereas I feel my own personality comes across better with the slightly more transparent sound of a G12H30. The G12H30 has that "chonky" quality too, but less of it. And it has more bass than the G12M, IMO.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

So would you get a MIC Celestion or the MIA WGS clone? The WGS is $70 whereas the G12M is $125.

I'd buy used if possible but that aside I'd buy the MIC Celestion over the WGS any day of the week.

 

[dystrust]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

The 2061 2x12 cabs (look like a mini 4x12) are loaded with G12H30s.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

The 2061 2x12 cabs (look like a mini 4x12) are loaded with G12H30s.

Ya know...I didn't even think about that as I was reading the original post but you are right!

 

[metlking]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

I stopped speaker swapping when I tried a quad of Greenbacks, and I went thru a LOT of Celestions! I now have 2 Marshall 1960a cabinets each with 2 English Greenbacks and 2 Chinese Greenbacks.....There is no difference! Only difference is resale due to internet hype and the "placebo effect"! This observation is based on actual experience and ownership!

 

[B Bent]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

There is a dude over on TGP that has one right now used. I have reached out to him. Thanks dudes.

Edit:

Looks like I am picking one up for about $87 shipped. Not bad!

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

Hey, I'm really glad no one listened to me. WTF do *I know about Greenbacks?

 

[Ayrton]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

I just saw this thread, and it looks like you found one. I was gonna say I have one you can try out to see if you like it.

Anyone that says they can hear a difference between a broken in MIE G12M, and a broken in MIC G12M is a fool.

There is some difference between pre Rola speakers, Kurt Mueller cones ('70's) and the later reissues. However you need not concern yourself with any of that now.

Old broken in Greenbacks are the standard as far as I am concerned.

 

[Ayrton]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

double post

 

[B Bent]

Re: School me on 25 watt Greenbacks

Thanks guys! I am looking forward to adding this to my arsenal. I will mess with it in the 1482 just because I can and who knows what that will be like, but when I find an unloaded cab for my Tonemaster clone, I will stuff it in there. Good things!