Seriously, no joke.

Deranged? At the very least I should hope.
And Kreator puts on a hell of a show, even if they have slowed down a bit in the last few years.

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Nah....you’re far from deranged. You’re probably one of the more sane people I know.

I think I’d like to check out some more Kreator.....where should I start?
 
This is not a case of simply disliking a tone, genre, or style. This is a case of someone claiming all that subscribe to that genre are less of in some way and doing something wrong. Saying all high-gain guitarists lack tone is pretty harsh and insults half of the guitarists on the forum. Death metal guitarists play two-finger chords? Once again unnecessary and harsh.

I am not a big fan of country but would never slam my Tele playing brothers. I also hate dentist/doctor blues like Joe Bonnamasa but wouldn't slam someone for playing the style. It is not about liking or not liking the style it is about having respect for the person that chooses to play the style. We all think that what we are doing is the right way but don't forget it is not the only way.

The other thing is: I don't even care if a genre has mostly two-finger chords. It's pretty stupid to think that the ONLY way of measuring musical depth is complexity of chords. Different genres challenge the player in different ways. Chords are one measure. Speed-picking, syncopated rhythm, and precision under high gain are others. I don't like country for the most part, but damn, those guitarists can play. B.B. King isn't known for big complex chord voicings, but just try to play like he does. Whole generations of guitarists were inspired by what he did within a fairly limited musical palette.
 
This would be my favourite Kreator song:

Oh and on the same "I don't like it, I don't get it" tune, another fantastic technically proficient and very atypically musical thrash band would be Coroner
 
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Nah....you’re far from deranged. You’re probably one of the more sane people I know.

I think I’d like to check out some more Kreator.....where should I start?
I would recommend Extreme Aggression and take it from there.
And Clint, feel free to post some Satyricon, not familiar with them but I'll give a listen.

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This would be my favourite Kreator song:

Oh and on the same "I don't like it, I don't get it" tune, another fantastic technically proficient and very atypically musical thrash band would be Coroner
A buddy of mine loves Coroner. I don't blame him.

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Rules are guidelines, made to be broken. If it is meant to be, you can play anything on anything. Your sound is only limited to the tones you can hear in your head.


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Here hear!

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This would be my favourite Kreator song:

Oh and on the same "I don't like it, I don't get it" tune, another fantastic technically proficient and very atypically musical thrash band would be Coroner
This is the sh!t.

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Stompbox! I had their demo back in the early 1990s and played it a lot in my car. Just good stuff. Them and Godflesh.

Lew, I think what you may be blind to is the sheer joy of playing such loud, crushing music. At that time I was in an industrial hardcore band called SHRAPNEL (yes, all caps) and it was just so damn FUN!
We were tight as hell and when the sound was just right it was like nothing I have ever experienced in any other band. I always walked off stage feeling happy and satisfied

Some people love rollercoasters and some hate them. Some people love coffee and others can't stand it. Same here.
 
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Also, I tend to think of sounds in pairings and opposites. While I may not explicitly say or even think buttery or warm...if I have a bell-like, chorusy clean guitar or synth sound, I will probably gravitate towards something fuller and more analog sounding to complement it.

For me playing music is more about the music itself and how the puzzle fits together. If you have a great sound, whether it’s jagged, searing, woody, hot or buttery sometimes that’s all you need. But If the music is busier, you may need to craft your tone to highlight what you are playing.

Ultimately, the question becomes, “What do you want to create today?†It is all valid.


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Lew, I think what you may be blind to is the sheer joy of playing such loud, crushing music. At that time I was in an industrial hardcore band called SHRAPNEL (yes, all caps) and it was just so damn FUN!
We were tight as hell and when the sound was just right it was like nothing I have ever experienced in any other band. I always walked off stage feeling happy and satisfied

It is a rush playing hard and heavy. There are times I would look down at the people at the front of the stage headbanging and have a certain satisfaction it was my guitar whipping these people into a frenzy.

In regards to the music being negative. I write very positive lyrics. Half of the songs from my last band were about my SO. Others were about mankind and spirituality. Most people hear a dark guitar and a grunting voice and assume the song or band is about something dark and evil. In most cases that is so far from the truth. People are too closed-minded to take 3-minutes to actually listen to the context of the music.
 
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Amen, Brother! It is awesome and I had honestly kind of forgotten that feeling until I heard that Stompbox clip. Brought it all back in a flash.
I will add that for me lyrics are secondary. If they are really clever they elevate the song and if they are really lame they drag it down but I have heard and loved plenty of songs without the slightest idea what the lyrics were. Live it is all about the impact and the overall sound of the band for me.

Going wayyy back to Demaniac's original question, it's not just that different things sound different to different people, it's also that different people want to get different things out of music. Those really full, rich, creamy tones he was asking about tend to be...soothing? Something like that anyway. When I'm really stressed out I don't want chaotic, intense music, I want something that calms. I will listen to music then that I'd have no interest in any other time. So mood or outlook is part of it as well.
Maybe. I don't really know. But it is fun to think about and write about.
 
Going wayyy back to Demaniac's original question, it's not just that different things sound different to different people, it's also that different people want to get different things out of music. Those really full, rich, creamy tones he was asking about tend to be...soothing? Something like that anyway. When I'm really stressed out I don't want chaotic, intense music, I want something that calms. I will listen to music then that I'd have no interest in any other time. So mood or outlook is part of it as well.
Maybe. I don't really know. But it is fun to think about and write about.

Music has the ability to heal. To change our mood. So that when we're "really stressed" and want to feel less "chaotic", less "intense", we "want something that calms". Just like you described.

We can agree that listening to something that calms, makes us feel less intense and less chaotic.

But if that's true, why is it so difficult to accept that the opposite is true? That chaotic, angry music filled with rage makes us feel chaotic, angry and filled with rage?

If you Google a question like: "Does angry music make you angry?" or Does music with violent lyrics cause violent thoughts?" you'll find that many psychologists and psychiatrists believe it does.
 
Music has the ability to heal. To change our mood. So that when we're "really stressed" and want to feel less "chaotic", less "intense", we "want something that calms". Just like you described.

We can agree that listening to something that calms, makes us feel less intense and less chaotic.

But if that's true, why is it so difficult to accept that the opposite is true? That chaotic, angry music filled with rage makes us feel chaotic, angry and filled with rage?

If you Google a question like: "Does angry music make you angry?" or Does music with violent lyrics cause violent thoughts?" you'll find that many psychologists and psychiatrists believe it does.

You can also look at chaotic music as an outlet for your stress.
Whether playing it or going to see a band play it is in and of itself a stress relief.

Just because someone writes lyrics that possibly have chaotic or violent themes doesn’t necessarily mean they are condoning it...it is their way of dealing with the particular stressors in their life.

Just because Stephen King writes horror novels doesn’t mean he is a murderer or condones violent behavior.
 
You can also look at chaotic music as an outlet for your stress.
Whether playing it or going to see a band play it is in and of itself a stress relief.

Just because someone writes lyrics that possibly have chaotic or violent themes doesn’t necessarily mean they are condoning it...it is their way of dealing with the particular stressors in their life.



Just because Stephen King writes horror novels doesn’t mean he is a murderer or condones violent behavior.

What does any of that have to do with what I said? Nothing at all, because I didn't say any of that.

What I did say is this:

"If you Google a question like: "Does angry music make you angry?" or "Does music with violent lyrics cause violent thoughts?" you'll find that many psychologists and psychiatrists believe it does."

They've done tests that prove angry lyrics induce angry thoughts and violent lyrics induce violent thoughts.

Google it and read about it.

Do you want to have angry and violent thoughts?

If you do, you know what music to listen to: music with angry and violent lyrics.
 
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To some people, music is a time machine. To others, it is a way to channel emotions. To others, it might be a whole universe of mathematical equations. People 'consume' music for different reasons. Some can hear music about drugs, and it makes them take drugs. Others just appreciate it for what it is: a good or bad song.
 
To some people, music is a time machine. To others, it is a way to channel emotions. To others, it might be a whole universe of mathematical equations. People 'consume' music for different reasons. Some can hear music about drugs, and it makes them take drugs. Others just appreciate it for what it is: a good or bad song.

Music is an abstraction. It is what you make of it.


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