Seriously, no joke.

[Dave Locher]

Point taken, Lew. Mass media (which includes recorded music) are one of our primary agents of socialization and what we see, hear, read, etc does influence our thoughts.
Personally I don't know why anyone would watch horror movies or play gory video games but millions of people do and to the best of my knowledge those things are not correlated with mental disorders, let alone casually linked to them.
Some people crave stimulation, some people avoid it.

Jeff Beck has the song Apocalypse, Clapton did Tearing Us Apart, and Hendrix...I wouldn't call Machine Gun calming or soothing and Hey Joe isn't exactly positive or uplifting. One person's "chaos" is another's abstract expressionist masterpiece (Jackson Pollock) and one person's "rage" is another's "exuberance."

I don't watch zombie movies, there is no reason you should start listening to music that bothers you.

 

[Clint 55]

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

This is not a case of simply disliking a tone, genre, or style. This is a case of someone claiming all that subscribe to that genre are less of in some way and doing something wrong. Saying all high-gain guitarists lack tone is pretty harsh and insults half of the guitarists on the forum. Death metal guitarists play two-finger chords? Once again unnecessary and harsh.

I am not a big fan of country but would never slam my Tele playing brothers. I also hate dentist/doctor blues like Joe Bonnamasa but wouldn't slam someone for playing the style. It is not about liking or not liking the style it is about having respect for the person that chooses to play the style. We all think that what we are doing is the right way but don't forget it is not the only way.

Meh...you need to expand your musical horizon pal...beyond guitar and preferably 60 years back.

Just like society music consists of 'social classes' (levels of difficulties) with rock/ metal being at the bottom. It's reality no need to dispute it or call someone a troll for bringing it up. A typical jazz trio can chew any death metal song like shattered glass but I am pretty sure your Berklee-grad metal band would have a hard time comprehending revolutionary jazz theory let alone put it into real life situation.

 

[Gtrjunior]

What does any of that have to do with what I said? Nothing at all, because I didn't say any of that.

What I did say is this:

"If you Google a question like: "Does angry music make you angry?" or "Does music with violent lyrics cause violent thoughts?" you'll find that many psychologists and psychiatrists believe it does."

They've done tests that prove angry lyrics induce angry thoughts and violent lyrics induce violent thoughts.

Google it and read about it.

Do you want to have angry and violent thoughts?

If you do, you know what music to listen to: music with angry and violent lyrics.

Jeez Lew.....
You’re the most angry person on the forum and you don’t listen to angry music....
What does psychology say about that?

All I did was offer an alternative view on it.

 

[Lewguitar]

Jeez Lew.....
You’re the most angry person on the forum and you don’t listen to angry music....
What does psychology say about that?

All I did was offer an alternative view on it.

 

[Securb]

Meh...you need to expand your musical horizon pal...beyond guitar and preferably 60 years back.

I listen to everything. I grew up in a house that was filled with Jazz, Blues and contemporary AOR music and spread my wings to like metal, classical, industrial, and even old-school Outlaw Country. I have embraced all world music I encounter I am fascinated by the music of other cultures. But above all, if I do not like an artist or style I still respect the sweat equity that goes into creating the music.

 

[Securb]

Google it and read about it.
.

Google is a search engine, not a clinical research tool. If you Google the question as you suggested you will get mostly opinions not studies. Dare I also say some of those sites will have opposing views of yours. Also, keep in mind a lot of these "medical" options are for hired studies. For every study, you can cite saying violent music causes violence I could find a study that says it doesn't. There has been some research done in this area I would suggest reading The Silent Pulse., a great book.

When you look at one of the most violent movies of the 70's Clockwork Orange all of the violence had the back dropping of classical music. Aggressive, dark, or brooding music is not just a characteristic of death metal or any kind of metal. It exists in all genres.

 

[Demanic]

I have to say I'm glad that this thread has inspired such spirited discussions.

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[Aceman]

I also hate dentist/doctor blues like Joe Bonnamasa but wouldn't slam someone for playing the style.

Plus, Joe CAN play, no denying that. He should be slammed for being a bigger marketing whore than the demon-seed spawn of Gene Simmons and Bill Auction....

 

[Aceman]

We were tight as hell and when the sound was just right it was like nothing I have ever experienced in any other band.

Just like slamming Yngwie. If you can't play those sweeps, STFU. Don't go around saying he sounds bad.

Very few can play tight like that (Love me some Kreator when I'm in the mood to go go go!). It is really really hard to play that tonight that fast that long.

 

[Aceman]

Music has the ability to heal. To change our mood. So that when we're "really stressed" and want to feel less "chaotic", less "intense", we "want something that calms". Just like you described.

We can agree that listening to something that calms, makes us feel less intense and less chaotic.

But if that's true, why is it so difficult to accept that the opposite is true? That chaotic, angry music filled with rage makes us feel chaotic, angry and filled with rage?

If you Google a question like: "Does angry music make you angry?" or Does music with violent lyrics cause violent thoughts?" you'll find that many psychologists and psychiatrists believe it does.

I'm a psychologist Lew. That is ONE thing it can do. And a very tenuous and narrow interpretation. Stop reading Psychology today or wherever you are getting these little tiny slices of pop-psychology.

People DO NOT listen to creator/Slayer and then get all chaos and go kill things.
You have three examples of people here listening to this kind of music and reporting very positive effects.

If you do, then certainly don't. If listening to music makes you feel that the music is controlling how you are internally....whole other problem/issue.

Are the positive effect guys lying to you?

 

[Aceman]

To some people, music is a time machine. To others, it is a way to channel emotions. To others, it might be a whole universe of mathematical equations. People 'consume' music for different reasons. Some can hear music about drugs, and it makes them take drugs. Others just appreciate it for what it is: a good or bad song.

Math Metal!

I do math for a living sometimes. I have no patience for counting beyond four when playing!!! LOL

But it is some cool stuff. Much like my tool thread - I may one day sit down and try to see what it is all about. I Amy dig it, I may not. More power (and math homework) to those that do.

I bet Fripp/Belewsians are all about it. If for no other reason, simply as an alternative creative paradigm

 

[Securb]

Jeff Beck has the song Apocalypse, Clapton did Tearing Us Apart, and Hendrix...I wouldn't call Machine Gun calming or soothing and Hey Joe isn't exactly positive or uplifting. One person's "chaos" is another's abstract expressionist masterpiece (Jackson Pollock) and one person's "rage" is another's "exuberance."

Exactly it is how the public/media perceives the artist. Eric Clapton's "I Shot the Sherrif" and Ice T's "Cop Killer" are subjectively the same song lyrically. However, one song was banned and removed from the record and one is danced to at mainstream country club parties and is in heavy Yacht rock radio rotation.

 

[Aceman]

Now - back to the OP, for whom I have nothing but love, and always an open hand to hold his beer should he ever need it.

That round/sweet tone would totally not work for that kind of music. You need Uber-precise super tight start/stop articulation. Maybe a moody neck solo section during a dramatic pause before the storm again...at best.

But I love BB's fat sound in his style Blues. Sometimestimes, as much as I love CHigo blues, I find the sound grating and harsh.

 

[LesStrat]

The other thing is: I don't even care if a genre has mostly two-finger chords. It's pretty stupid to think that the ONLY way of measuring musical depth is complexity of chords. Different genres challenge the player in different ways. Chords are one measure. Speed-picking, syncopated rhythm, and precision under high gain are others. I don't like country for the most part, but damn, those guitarists can play. B.B. King isn't known for big complex chord voicings, but just try to play like he does. Whole generations of guitarists were inspired by what he did within a fairly limited musical palette.

I’m not a fan of Metallica, yet I fully appreciate the skill required for Hetfield’s right hand picking of those “2-finger chords”. :chairfall

 

[Aceman]

Mincer is always embarrassed when he is caught playing the one finger chord....

 

[weepingminotaur]

I’m not a fan of Metallica, yet I fully appreciate the skill required for Hetfield’s right hand picking of those “2-finger chords”. :chairfall

Exactly. Same goes for a lot of early funk. Two- or even one-finger chords but it's all about that rhythm, the right-hand attack and the mutes and all that, locking in with the drummer.

 

[Aceman]

You know - this brings thread an interesting point about. It's often less what you say than how you say it. The internet is a challenging communication environment period.

For example - if I say "I hate those guitars!" It is pretty clear that I simply do not like them. And if you asked or even if I just offered, you shouldn't be offended by that. Again - opinions like ice cream. we like what we like.

But if I say "A mature player has no need for the complicated machinery of a Floyd rose, and only a player of limited musical vocabulary and styling would ever buy a guitar with a single bridge pickup. All of the best tones can only be achieved through the use of the neck pickup. Whoever would purchase that basically threw their money away on a useless instrument, which is fine if your playing isn't that nuanced." Well, that is pretty damn condescending, narrow minded, and generally rude in a thread where I'm saying "I dig this" and I'd consider it very offensive.

And in a thread where someone asks "What do you think?" Well - that is pretty wide open. You should expect the full range. But we all know people where they ask those questions and get agreement/validation, not open opinion. The internet is not good for agreement/validation.

A lot of people have trouble communicating in person. To be able to do so well in writing can be even more challenging.

And at my age and discipline level, between my bad back, sore tendons, and hackey timing - that Kreator stuff is beyond me, so I'm not hating on them.

 

[Securb]

Exactly. Same goes for a lot of early funk. Two- or even one-finger chords but it's all about that rhythm, the right-hand attack and the mutes and all that, locking in with the drummer.

There is a part when my band is playing Superstition where I am just vamping an E9. All the time I am syncopating with my drummer's ride cymbal. It is one of the times during the set which my undivided attention is needed.

 

[weepingminotaur]

There is a part when my band is playing Superstition where I am just vamping an E9. All the time I am syncopating with my drummer's ride cymbal. It is one of the times during the set which my undivided attention is needed.

I'm glad I'm not the only one for whom repetitive funk parts demand a LOT of mental focus. I love playing funk, but damn, man, being locked in is hard mental work.