seth lover with phat cat?

davesowden

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i,ve put a phat cat in the bridge of my 80s Burny Supergrade and i love the sound i,m getting from it. theres a bucker in the neck but its pretty weak-i like the combination of p90 in bridge and hb in neck and i have the offer of a seth lover to maybe drop in there. anyone got any experience/advice of this combo?
thanks dave
 
Re: seth lover with phat cat?

I think it would be a slammin combo. The Phat Cat will still be a bit hotter than the Seth but the tone will be to die for.
 
Re: seth lover with phat cat?

thanks for the reply. i can,t tell you how impressed i am with the phat cat! you,re right its hotter than i expected . absolutely destroys the bucker that was originally in the bridge
 
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I've been thinking about using a Phat Cat(b) in my SG with a Seth(b) in the neck to see how that matches up. In a few days when I get my Phat Cat I'll give it a review.
 
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I have a few guitars with a Phat Cat in the neck and an HB bridge. For the bridge, I use both PAF's and high output PU's (490T to 498T), and they all pair up nicely with the Phat Cats. BTW, in my neck Phat Cats I always swap out the dark twin A2's, and put in either an A5/A5, A5/A4, or A5/A3 to get more treble & cut.

Bridge HB/neck P-90 is a great pairing. Should be a lot more common.
 
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blueman335
i agree i love hb/bridge and p90/neck -but have you tried it the other way round? any thoughts on that pairing?
 
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blueman335
i agree i love hb/bridge and p90/neck -but have you tried it the other way round? any thoughts on that pairing?

Not yet, because my approach is 'a warm bridge & a bright neck.' Single coils (of any type) have an open sound & lack the midrange focus of a HB. The bridge position is inherently sharp & bright, needing mids, which is why bridge PU's are wound hotter than neck models.

However, if I was to do a P-90 bridge/neck HB, I'd put an A8 or two in the bridge to boost the mids, and choose a bright PAF for the neck, like a '59, PG, Bluesbucker, or HFH which have a good dose of treble. Who knows, maybe I'll do that one day.
 
Re: seth lover with phat cat?

i,ve put a phat cat in the bridge of my 80s Burny Supergrade and i love the sound i,m getting from it. theres a bucker in the neck but its pretty weak-i like the combination of p90 in bridge and hb in neck and i have the offer of a seth lover to maybe drop in there. anyone got any experience/advice of this combo?
thanks dave

I really like the Phat Cat bridge pickup.

I don't hear it as being as hot as a good paf style humbucker though.

You'll have to find out for yourself but I suspect the Phat Cat will sound a little weaker than a Seth Lover neck humbucker.

I don't like it when the bridge pickup is weaker than the neck pickup. That may or may not be the case with this combo.

You'll probably be the first to find out, so let us know.

Lew
 
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I tried a phat cat b with a ant. neck in my sg, and while it was awesome, I switched the ant. for a phat cat n to even it out. The volume wasn't a problem, with the pcb set high, and the ant set low. Just prefered the more open sound of the pcn to the ant.
 
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Not yet, because my approach is 'a warm bridge & a bright neck.' Single coils (of any type) have an open sound & lack the midrange focus of a HB. The bridge position is inherently sharp & bright, needing mids, which is why bridge PU's are wound hotter than neck models.

However, if I was to do a P-90 bridge/neck HB, I'd put an A8 or two in the bridge to boost the mids, and choose a bright PAF for the neck, like a '59, PG, Bluesbucker, or HFH which have a good dose of treble. Who knows, maybe I'll do that one day.

you should definitely try it sometime. i've got an a2/a8 phat cat in the bridge(with the a8 closer to the bridge) and an a4 PGb in the neck of my mockingbird. that combo rocks! nice depth to both pickups, with lotsa fatness and warmth, but a good bit of definition too. the neck split is pretty nice too, though i'm sure you probably wouldn't care for it;) when i leave the neck split, the tones i get from both pickups makes it almost feels like i'm playing a hotrodded telecaster. shaped like a mockingbird.:D
 
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well i got the seth lover and dropped it in the guitar within minutes of it being delivered-i have to say that after playing it to death for a couple of days i,m continually impressed with it. i always liked to solo on the neck pup but found playing chords with even a little overdrive resulted in a muddy tone but this is a very articulate pickup. beautiful distinct rythmn tones. i really cant praise it enough, its nailed rock and blues tones i,ve had in my head for years.
as for combining it with a phat cat in the bridge i have to reserve judgement- the 2 pickups individually sound great but so different that there is no middle ground between them. its hard to find settings that suit them both or do them both justice. i wouldn,t want to alter the seth lover but the phat cat in the bridge could afford to lose a little treble and still retain its power and bite so i think a magnet change in that should help to even things out.
i have to say tho that even with the imbalance between the 2 pups the combination has made a guitar that is very versatile and a lot of fun to play! i,ll swap those mags and let you know how it works out.
 
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You're learning the art of tweaking, that many of us do. Lots of satisfaction in getting your ideal tones by your own hands. Welcome to the club. Lots more to learn, stick around.
 
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I really like the Phat Cat bridge pickup.

I don't hear it as being as hot as a good paf style humbucker though.

You'll have to find out for yourself but I suspect the Phat Cat will sound a little weaker than a Seth Lover neck humbucker.

I don't like it when the bridge pickup is weaker than the neck pickup. That may or may not be the case with this combo.

You'll probably be the first to find out, so let us know.

Lew
well i got the seth lover and dropped it in the guitar within minutes of it being delivered-i have to say that after playing it to death for a couple of days i,m continually impressed with it. i always liked to solo on the neck pup but found playing chords with even a little overdrive resulted in a muddy tone but this is a very articulate pickup. beautiful distinct rythmn tones. i really cant praise it enough, its nailed rock and blues tones i,ve had in my head for years.
as for combining it with a phat cat in the bridge i have to reserve judgement- the 2 pickups individually sound great but so different that there is no middle ground between them. its hard to find settings that suit them both or do them both justice. i wouldn,t want to alter the seth lover but the phat cat in the bridge could afford to lose a little treble and still retain its power and bite so i think a magnet change in that should help to even things out.
i have to say tho that even with the imbalance between the 2 pups the combination has made a guitar that is very versatile and a lot of fun to play! i,ll swap those mags and let you know how it works out.

Exactly what I told you would happen. I told you they'd be imbalanced and that the bridge Phatcat would sound weaker than the Seth Lover. But did you listen? No. :lmao:

As for changing magnets in the Phatcat to make it "lose treble", it's an alnico 2 magnet pickup and already as warm as it's going to get. Switching to other magnets will make it brighter - not warmer.

If you've had the Phatcat for less than 21 days, you'll also void your warranty. If you bought the pickup new, and it's 21 days or less old, you can just send it back to the dealer and he/she can swap it for another pickup.

I'd get a bridge model Seth Lover or Custom Custom.

I get the impression that when you say the bridge Phatcat "could afford to lose a little treble" that the real problem is that its output is weaker than the Seth Lover so it doesn't sound full and thick.

Actually, it does sound full and thick - you just need to be comparing it to a NECK Phat cat and not a Seth Lover.

If you were using two Phatcats you could adjust your amp to sound great with both pickups.

It's the imbalance in output that is giving you the impression that the Phatcat needs to lose treble.

You could, of course, send the Seth Lover back (if you bought it from a dealer) and get a neck Phatcat.


You're learning the art of tweaking, that many of us do. Lots of satisfaction in getting your ideal tones by your own hands. Welcome to the club. Lots more to learn, stick around.

Like what? How to void the warranty on his new pickup so he can't exchange it? And what magnet swap is going to give a Phatcat a warmer sound when he's already got the warmest magnets (alnico 2) in there already?

I say: cut your losses. If you can, return the Phatcat and swap it for something you know you already love: another Seth Lover only a bridge model. Or maybe a Custom Custom: the warmest humbucker Duncan makes.

Or swap the Seth for a neck Phatcat.
 
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LEWGUITAR-its not that i didnt listen, i was just experimenting!
no worries about a warranty being voided cos i got the pair very cheap second hand from a generous ;mylespaul forum; member.
the imbalance is nothing to do with the bridge being weaker than the neck as you suspected ( far from it, the phat cat is as ballsy as hell- full and thick like you describe) its just that the PC has a little too much treble for my tastes in this combo. as far as punching power and volume go i would say it was a very good balance between the two pups. i take your point about A2 magnets - i would associate them with a more mellow warm sound so would changing them take the edge off the pup or actually brighten it?!
if the PC was in a bridge pup only type guitar i wouldnt think of altering it but i think taking some of the harsher treble off it would help it match the seth lover. i,ve got a few HB/HB and p90/p90 set ups already so i,m happy to try and make this work because i think it will be worth it and as i said earlier the guitar is certainly versatile and enjoyable to play.
as you say if it doesnt work out i can just drop something else in and no harm done.
i like the sound of a Custom Custom for future reference-anyone selling one???

have to say again after another night playing the SL its a hell of a good pickup. (nice ebay steal as well!)
 
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Exactly what I told you would happen. I told you they'd be imbalanced and that the bridge Phatcat would sound weaker than the Seth Lover. But did you listen? No.

Like what? How to void the warranty on his new pickup so he can't exchange it?

Geez Lew, you sound like his grandfather lecturing him.
 
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its just that the PC has a little too much treble for my tastes in this combo. as far as punching power and volume go i would say it was a very good balance between the two pups. i take your point about A2 magnets - i would associate them with a more mellow warm sound so would changing them take the edge off the pup or actually brighten it?!
if the PC was in a bridge pup only type guitar i wouldnt think of altering it but i think taking some of the harsher treble off it would help it match the seth lover.

I think a bridge PC is thin & weak (as does forum veteran Zhang), especially compared to a neck PC (certainly the 'odd couple'). I was surprised how bright & thin two A2's could be, but then it's a single coil, not a HB. An A8/A4 pair gave me more mids, better tone quality, more output, more of everything I needed. Vast improvement.
 
Re: seth lover with phat cat?

I think a bridge PC is thin & weak (as does forum veteran Zhang), especially compared to a neck PC (certainly the 'odd couple'). I was surprised how bright & thin two A2's could be, but then it's a single coil, not a HB. An A8/A4 pair gave me more mids, better tone quality, more output, more of everything I needed. Vast improvement.

ok i ,ll give that magnet combination a try-thanks.
i,m in the uk and have been struggling to locate magnets for sale ,i know alot of people on this forum are stateside but any ideas?
 
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ok i ,ll give that magnet combination a try-thanks.
i,m in the uk and have been struggling to locate magnets for sale ,i know alot of people on this forum are stateside but any ideas?

Wymore guitars.com ships overseas. Nice guy, great service. Check him out.
 
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