Stew Mac Fret Kit?

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For my old Ibanez roadstar i was thinking of doing a refret on it by myself.

Techs here in Greece arent the best and i was thinking why not learn how to do it myself and that way i will be able to do a great job in the future.

Silly idea???

are refrets just waay too tough?? i have done a fret level on that same guitar and it turned out good.

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Frettin...g,_polishing/Essential_Fretting_Tool_Kit.html

Zerb you think that i would need someone to teach me instead of doing it from a book?
 
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the only thing i dont see is a board leveler for after removing the old frets.
 
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I seem to remember Zerb and Odie both saying that you WILL mess up your first one. There's a lot to consider while doing it and a lot of things that will effect how it turns out. For instance, you can use larger fret tangs to stiffen up the neck, but if they're too large you can give the neck a back bow. I also think a new fretting would be easier than a refret, and it would probably be better to start with that.

I'm not trying to discourage you or anything. If you're going to learn you'll have to start trying at some point. I just wouldn't start off with a good neck.
 
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Well, I originally learned to refret using Dan Erlewine´s "Guitar Player Repair Guide, but I have a natural knack for handicrafts and a very fine eye for details. It´s possible, but not necessarily something I´d recommend. But If you´ve leveled frets before and were happy with the results, then you´re a prime candidate for trying ;)

The leveling of the board can be done with multiple different tools, and there are some even designed specifically for this purpose. Usually you use the same tool for the board as you do for the frets.

Most common choices, with the IMO main Pros + Cons:
1. Radius blocks: easy for the beginner to properly maintain the radius, quite fast, the long ones can even get the whole board down pretty quick if necessary, and the short ones can even be used for fretting cauls when setting in the new frets. But Harder to properly do a compound radius with, and when uneven pressure is applied during dressing you can end up w/ lopsided frets (Think "extra Jumbo on the high strings and medium jumbo on the low ones"). Still, best way I´ve seen for beginners.

2. Bastard file cut into 2 pieces / "Fret leveling files": Easier to hit specific spots, compound radii are a snap, can also bevel the fret ends. Combined with a small, round cornered triangle file it has the lowest final equipment cost due to the dual purpose nature of the dressing files, both the "bastardettes" and the tringle file can be used for the necessary bevel work as well. But they can wreak havoc in untrained hands to the point of flattening or increasing the radius in sections of the board. For the slightly more experienced hands, but traditional and very effective.

3: Belt sander: Fast, accurate, fun. But a belt sander can kill you, the guitar, and /or someone else in the room. Recommended only for those with steady hands, a good eye, and prior "powered woodworking" experience.

4. Bailey #6 bench plane: Fast, accurate, depending on sharpness you may be able to go straight to the higher grits. But: Either "You da Man" or "You gonna break ****". Not recommended for beginners at all, or even most auti-didact luthiers :laugh2:

But regardless of which of these methods you choose, you WILL screw up the first one in some way, shape or form. It comes with the territory. I would recommend getting at least a slotted fretboard to practice the first one on, preferably a whole neck that you can swap onto a guitar and playtest ;)
 
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yeah man LOL!

i just got done reading some stuff on it and it looks pretty advanced!! crap!
lot of variables.
i am good with my hands, but this may be a bit out there for me without someone over my head slapping me here and there when i mess up.
 
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Well, preferably they should slap you BEFORE you mess up, esp. with woodworking tools :D
 
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well the first option you mentioned seems like it would work for me. the one with the radius block that is.

Compound radius??! not even thinking in THAT direction yet man.


wonder if i could get USACG to send me a messed up board to practice on?
 
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see i went to supposedly a good luthier here years ago to get a refret on a guitar of my friends.
well getting it back the job was pretty ****ty.

-the board was laquered ( maple one piece) with a different color tint from the back!
-the frets were 'shorter' than they should have been for the fret board. that is the ends stopped a bit before the fret board edge.
-it wasnt leveled well ,as far as i am concerned becuase setting up the guitar with low action isnt possible without getting buzzes here and there. USACG has a better leveled board out of the box that this was.

so you can say that i want to learn this out of neccesity as well.
i dig building things also. nothing more rewarding than working with your hands.
 
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Why does everyone think they can grab tools and start re-fretting like a pro the next day?????? There is someone about every 2 weeks or so that thinks the samething.

Its tough, and you will screw up, and screw up alot for quite a while. If you want to learn and lay out the cash for the tools, go ahead but, be VERY patient. Tooling is not cheap and it will cost you more than just getting a good fret job done in the first place. If you want to possibly buy some tools, I may be willing to sell some of mine.
 
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I layed out the cash and bought a bunch of fretting tools.... I used some old cheap used necks given to me for free and some home made necks to start on... i'm really good at my own fret dresses now but i still have trouble with complete refrets... mostly getting the fret ends right..... I need more practice... I love the way a tech i used to go to did fret ends.... he didn't bevel the ends, he filed and sanded the ends until smoooth so you could use the fret right to the very edge of the neck..... it's very nice way of doing ends
 
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Why does everyone think they can grab tools and start re-fretting like a pro the next day?????? There is someone about every 2 weeks or so that thinks the samething.

Its tough, and you will screw up, and screw up alot for quite a while. .

:chairfall :laugh2: Very True! I've done 3 re-frets so far... I'm light years away from being able to get Pro results.:fingersx:
 
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coming soon i am going to try refretting my first bound board.... i have an Epi LP that had the neck snapped in half... saddly someone before me glued the neck back together and it has a hump in the fingerboard... only way i can see fixing it is to sand the fingerboard straight again and refret...

Some guys i have spoken to claim Bound boards are easy to refret.... i guess i'll find out!
 
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Why does everyone think they can grab tools and start re-fretting like a pro the next day?????? There is someone about every 2 weeks or so that thinks the samething.


Chill Theodie, did i say that i was gonna become Pro the next day??
Thats why i started this thread for good people/techs like you to come in and say if you think it is a goofy idea or not.
I have an idea about how difficult it is. so i am asking, not saying. That is the beauty for me about this forum, that i have some really good techs and experienced people to gain knowledge from.

Maybe 10 years down the line i will have thanked myself for starting to learn to refret now,because by THEN i will have become a pro and have made guitar more than a hobby of just playing.
I think that is the question here. Do we have the patience and do we REALLY want to dive into this kinda thing, cause it is NOT some paint by numbers hobby.

we all start from somewhere and most of us can learn anything. most of us LOL!
right now i am in the process of thinking if i want to really dive into this or do i just want to continue to rock out playing guitar.

its invaluable to have your guys input in helping out mere mortals like me to do tech work. Like the best thing i got from this thread is NOT to do my 'crappy' Ibanez guitar first but rather practice on some ****ty unusable board.
 
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