The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

[Zhangliqun]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

What about the screamin demon is not a 10k paf?

To be fair, I haven't tried one myself so I don't know. I will say that it sounds nearly unanimous in here that the Demon is top-heavy tonewise, which is a turn-off for me.

This is because what folks (myself included) are looking for in the hybrids and the 10k is "vintage with balls", and a top-heavy, thin-sounding pickup would be the opposite of that, 10k or not.

Plus, as the argument has been made before, there are 6 vintage-output PAF-style Duncan 'buckers -- TWELVE if you count the fact that each has a neck and bridge model. And I don't know how many 13-16k higher output models.

(The single coil Strat line is also very well represented in both vintage and high output. Again the medium output is lightly represented, though in this case, it's the Twangbanger which has gotten a lot of great reviews. Maybe the Antiquity Custom Bridges +/-9k counts as medium too, and they're also really good.)

In the 9-12k humbucker range, maybe we have three, and that's if you count the DD neck (which has a ceramic mag -- not exactly vintage tone) and the Parallel Axis blues trembucker.

In other words, the Demon is just not a big menu to choose from compared to everything else. But if we can only have one, we're looking for the Twangbanger or Custom Bridge of humbuckers.

 

[JeffB]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Then, if to your ears they are not the same, you'll have to call MJ and tell her how you want it different, a custom fit to match the tone in your head. Pretty simple to me. That's just what the Custom shop is for.

again this goes back to:

The tone I hear in my head, is well covered by Gibson, DiMarzio, etc etc. At production availability and pricing.

I am not such a purist/loyalist in that I think Duncan is the only good manufacturer there is. I find good in alot of different companies products. I don't have to have a Duncan. My issue is not "How can I get it from Duncan?". I already know how. "Why can I get it from everyone else without being charged custom shop prices?" is what I'm getting at.

Again, I'm not cheap...but I'm also not going to pay $150 plus for something when I can get something from someone/where else that's just as good for less (tonally the difference may be slight, but not necc better or worse). That's just not wise, IMO.

And now I must say adios and head on home.

 

[JeffB]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Well, I DO love a good debate Scott..however, I've stated my reasoning. It MAY be and prolly in fact IS a moot point, according to Evan.

But *good* discussion, moot or not is always useful to a company (that listens, but doesnt necc have to act on said discussion). I've been there, done that as the saying goes.

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

That is their line, like us not offering any true bypass to anybody, and we are not changing that...dunno this is just too much debating for mehehe

 

[JacksonMIA]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

The tone I hear in my head, is well covered by Gibson, DiMarzio, etc etc. At production availability and pricing.

Then buy it from one of them. If SD thinks they're losing too much money to the competition by not offering it, they'll start producing it themselves. It's simple economics.



Zang, in a purely business view, time IS money.

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

I think you are wrong on the baiting you thing? Would you rather he not test market ideas to us? That is one of the coolest things about this board.

On the "down the road" comment, would you prefer he just lied to you?

There exists a 10K Dunan PAF. The Screamin Demon!

If you were working at a hamburger joint and some asked you for "chips". "We serve fries." "Well, mate, in the UK, we call them chips!"

"okay, then I'll get you some."

"no, I want some chips."

"Coming right up"

"No, those are fries, I specifically want CHIPS!"

"But sir, our fries and your chips are the same thing!"

"Dammit, why are you baiting me with these chocolate cookies, I want CHIPS!"

"Uh, sir, we like to offer all sorts of menu options. I won't add any cookies."

"Really man, every place in the UK offers CHIPS!"

"uh, sir, you are starting to disturb the other folks eating here. If you keep this up, I'll have to ask you to go eat somewhere else, like at Burger Barn next door."

"Are you threatening me?"


Can you guys see how silly this is? The 10K PAF=Screamin' Demon! :banana:

Okay, I get it. All 10k winds are exactly alike. Then it follows that all 7-8k winds are alike, and yet we have 12 models of those. All but one of those 12 models needs to be discontinued. All 14k winds are also alike, gotta discontinue all but one of them. Custom 5 only from here out. Got way too many sound-alike 6-7k Strat and Tele pickups, gotta thin out that herd too.

AND...to make this "chips" analogy accurate and complete:

"Sorry, mate, all we've got is these chips, but we do have 38 different varieties of cheese and twice that many of lettuce!"

"But why not a little variety with the fries, uh, er...I mean chips! These chips just don't taste right to me."

"Maybe you didn't hear me -- we've got plenty of different kinds of cheese and lettuce! That's all the variety anybody needs."

"I'm not talking about cheese and lettuce, I'm talking about fri--...uh, CHIPS. Why just one kind of chips?"

"Well, mate, if you want these special, chi--....uh, 'fries', we're gonna charge you double and we'll ship them to you in 6 to 8 weeks. In the meantime, just stop talking about it, yer bein' rude makin' us mad....Oh by the way, we've got a few new ideas and we'd like to try one on you. Would you like a glow-in-the-dark burger wrapper?"

"Where'd you say that Burger Barn is?"

***

P.S. They wouldn't be lying to me about "down the road" because they might very well change their minds down the road.

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Zang, in a purely business view, time IS money.

As I said before, FINE. All I'm saying is that I'm being weirded out by the strange attitude, NOT the decision itself.

 

[JacksonMIA]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

But it's a waste of Evan's time to keep answering the questions when they've been fully answered many times before. And wasting his time, is wasting SD's money. Therefore the "harsh" attitude.

 

[Nightburst]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Lol this thread is hilarious! :laugh2: :banana: :fingersx: :chairfall

Still curious where the name S Deco came from though... :reporter:

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Prolly from some Art Deco..then it became Seymour Deco

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

But it's a waste of Evan's time to keep answering the questions when they've been fully answered many times before. And wasting his time, is wasting SD's money. Therefore the "harsh" attitude.

Then why keep answering them? Just ignore us and let us punch ourselves out.

 

[Guest]

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Re: The elusive 10K PAF

I like cheese!

Wisest thing said in this thread. And remember man, tone is in the cheese.

Come on folks, it would be cool if SD would carry the pup and while I'd never even try it I'd like SD to have something more. They don't, can we live with that, please? It's not like they don't have a great line already.

I'm not trying to be anal about this, just don't want folks to get worked up about nothing.

 

[theodie]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

I would personally like to see the 10-12K range Paf style pickup myself. The Demon is infact in that range but, its not even close IMO. Maybe if it had a set of slugs in it instead of Hex peices it would be closer???

On another subject, I know this board is the Duncan board and the moderators can do what they want but, I was actually a bit offended by the threat to ban folks for talking about a pickup that alot of us would love to see in production! Thats just my personal feeling on the issue. For a day or two it made me think about selling all of my Duncans, boycotting them, and buying Dimarzios or something else. I am "maybe" feeling a bit better now though???????? On to another issue......

I had an idea earlier, maybe all of us that want a pickup in that range should all put our heads together and try to agree upon the same specs and order a big quanity from the custom shop! Possibly, since the 10-12K is thrown around alot, slit the difference and go with 11K for example? Maybe since we would be buying in bulk we could possibly get a discount??? Folks, do you want to put your $$ where your mouth is? Lets get this thing started if we want em!

 

[JacksonMIA]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

I had an idea earlier, maybe all of us that want a pickup in that range should all put our heads together and try to agree upon the same specs and order a big quanity from the custom shop! Possibly, since the 10-12K is thrown around alot, slit the difference and go with 11K for example? Maybe since we would be buying in bulk we could possibly get a discount??? Folks, do you want to put your $$ where your mouth is? Lets get this thing started if we want em!

Great idea, Dave!

 

[ErikH]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

That's a great idea, Dave. Just call up and order an S-Deco. It's waiting and the specs are all set and ready to be made in to a pickup. They just need an order.

 

[JeffB]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Then buy it from one of them.
.

I'm going to! See but that's the other issue. When I say "I'm gonna". It's not a malicious thing or being a smart@$$. I'm not mad nor am I gonna lose sleep over it. I have enough health, family and work issues in life to be bothered about guitar
related stuff on any kind of serious level.

but basically, I heard in that thread (from a multitude of folks)

OK ya want this?, buy it from the Custom shop, or go somewhere else"

"OK , I'll go somewhere else.."

"So now you are making threats??"

From being in a similar pair of shoes myself before as Evan wears now, *I* as a businessman want to know who is going to a competitor for a product, what product, and more importantly WHY. Doesn't matter if it's 10 customers or 10,000. Other's I guess perceive it as a threat, or a stab in the back, or lack of loyalty. I don't look at it that way..I see it as info to store to make better business decisions in the future. But other people got really pi$$ed off about it.

Can't eat your cake and still have it too.

 

[ranalli]

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But it's a waste of Evan's time to keep answering the questions when they've been fully answered many times before. And wasting his time, is wasting SD's money. Therefore the "harsh" attitude.

Why is anybody answering at all?? Are you seriously going to say that the people on this message board are responsible for wasting his time and SD's money??

Unreal.....it's amazing how a board of SD enthusiasts are suddenly running the company into the ground. Nobody is making any of the higher ups at SD read the posts here whether they be informative or nonsensical.

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

Man quit it...I guess it would help alot.

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

I've always wondered why the Screamin' Demon isn't more popular. I was actually thinking of putting one in my Strat.

 

[Guitar Toad]

Re: The elusive 10K PAF Disscusions Open (Scott)

So you think you need a 10k PAF?
Is this topic is evidence of players placing improper emphasis on the pickups? If you think you need a 10K PAF, the reality may truly be that it's a different amp that you really need? or a booster pedal will get you where you need to go.

If you already have PAF pickup that you like, tonally, but it doesn't sound as radical as you want, then the signal of that pickup only needs to be boosted, right?