The right speaker for digtal/ digital modelling amps..
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donaldr
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Re: The right speaker for digtal/ digital modelling amps..
I'm having good result plugging my Eleven Rack into an EV ZLX12P (and ZXA1 sub).
Celestion is coming with a coaxial 12" speaker that should fit in a guitar cab and targeted for modellers.
Tech21 is coming with a new Power Engine that should give a better guitar cab feel than PA speakers
Laney has an LFR112 which is getting good reviews
Line6 has the Powercab fitted with IR.
Atomic CLR is a monitor/PA cab and is highly regarded for creating your patches as it is (very) flat.
Xitone is building custom cabs (also very highly regarded) for modellers.
I'm having good result plugging my Eleven Rack into an EV ZLX12P (and ZXA1 sub).
Celestion is coming with a coaxial 12" speaker that should fit in a guitar cab and targeted for modellers.
Tech21 is coming with a new Power Engine that should give a better guitar cab feel than PA speakers
Laney has an LFR112 which is getting good reviews
Line6 has the Powercab fitted with IR.
Atomic CLR is a monitor/PA cab and is highly regarded for creating your patches as it is (very) flat.
Xitone is building custom cabs (also very highly regarded) for modellers.
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: The right speaker for digtal/ digital modelling amps..
I’d like to see a feature on modellers that throws out an inverse transfer function for some popular speakers and cabinet types, allowing their cabinet models to work more as if you had a neutral, flat speaker.
I’d like to see a feature on modellers that throws out an inverse transfer function for some popular speakers and cabinet types, allowing their cabinet models to work more as if you had a neutral, flat speaker.
Progbusters
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Re: The right speaker for digtal/ digital modelling amps..
I use a mackie thump
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Van Noord
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Re: The right speaker for digtal/ digital modelling amps..
I think the Blue Marvel is a crunchy 40w speaker that definitely has a voicing. Not flat at all.
If I were looking for a speaker to use with a modeler I would primarily be looking for a high wattage speaker, as cone break up introduces unique speaker characteristics.
If a speaker has and abundance of high mids or low mids or a big bass, or a bright treble... that's less of a concern as eq freq's can be matched, reduced and increased where needed. Where as you cannot remove, hide or accurately replicate specific, unique cone breakup properties.
Speakers I would look at would be the Mesa MC90, Eminence Delta Pro, Electro Voice EVM12L and the WGS ET90.
I think the Blue Marvel is a crunchy 40w speaker that definitely has a voicing. Not flat at all.
If I were looking for a speaker to use with a modeler I would primarily be looking for a high wattage speaker, as cone break up introduces unique speaker characteristics.
If a speaker has and abundance of high mids or low mids or a big bass, or a bright treble... that's less of a concern as eq freq's can be matched, reduced and increased where needed. Where as you cannot remove, hide or accurately replicate specific, unique cone breakup properties.
Speakers I would look at would be the Mesa MC90, Eminence Delta Pro, Electro Voice EVM12L and the WGS ET90.
ibanezrocks
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Re: The right speaker for digtal/ digital modelling amps..
If you're playing with a band, get a powered PA speaker. If you're playing at home and volume is a concern, get studio monitors.
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If you're playing with a band, get a powered PA speaker. If you're playing at home and volume is a concern, get studio monitors.
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dpaterson
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Re: The right speaker for digtal/ digital modelling amps..
Technically speaking you should be looking at FRFR (Full Range Flat Response) speakers like Celestion’s (new and only) offering:
https://celestion.com/product/200/f12x200/
Doesn’t mean that it’s going to sound best though i.e. see here for a basic explanation:
https://blog.andertons.co.uk/learn/what-is-an-frfr-speaker-cabinet
Interesting to note that the Marshall CODE series contain guitar cabinet speakers specifically voiced for the CODE series i.e. not FRFR speakers.
Technically speaking you should be looking at FRFR (Full Range Flat Response) speakers like Celestion’s (new and only) offering:
https://celestion.com/product/200/f12x200/
Doesn’t mean that it’s going to sound best though i.e. see here for a basic explanation:
https://blog.andertons.co.uk/learn/what-is-an-frfr-speaker-cabinet
Interesting to note that the Marshall CODE series contain guitar cabinet speakers specifically voiced for the CODE series i.e. not FRFR speakers.
devastone
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Re: The right speaker for digtal/ digital modelling amps..
Just to be clear, you already have an amp and are looking for a replacement speaker? Or you have a floor modeler and are looking for something to run it through? If it is the former, a high wattage speaker like a Classic Lead 80 or 100, or the new speaker Dale linked to but I'm not sure if it's available yet.
Just to be clear, you already have an amp and are looking for a replacement speaker? Or you have a floor modeler and are looking for something to run it through? If it is the former, a high wattage speaker like a Classic Lead 80 or 100, or the new speaker Dale linked to but I'm not sure if it's available yet.
ErikH
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Re: The right speaker for digtal/ digital modelling amps..
When I had a Vox AD50VT amp, I replaced the stock speaker (not a bad one either) with a Celestion Classic Lead 80. It was the perfect speaker for that amp. If I had a floor board modelling unit, I'd get a powered PA speaker.
When I had a Vox AD50VT amp, I replaced the stock speaker (not a bad one either) with a Celestion Classic Lead 80. It was the perfect speaker for that amp. If I had a floor board modelling unit, I'd get a powered PA speaker.
devastone
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Re: The right speaker for digtal/ digital modelling amps..
FWIW, I run my GT-1000 through my interface and M-Audio BX-8 monitors and I also run it through an ISP Stealth power amp and an Avatar 1-12 Convertible cab with a Classic Lead 80 for a more "amp-like" experience. The cool thing about the GT-1000 is that I have cab sims on the sub outs (XLR outs) which go to the interface or PA and I have the cab sims turned off on the main (1/4") outs that go to the power amp and cab. The main outs also have an output knob so it's easy to adjust the volume. I can use all the outputs together, so I can have a guitar cabinet onstage that I control the volume and still be feeding the FOH with the cab sim outs. Pretty cool, will be cooler if I get another cab to run stereo
I'm sure most of the other modelers can do similar setups.
FWIW, I run my GT-1000 through my interface and M-Audio BX-8 monitors and I also run it through an ISP Stealth power amp and an Avatar 1-12 Convertible cab with a Classic Lead 80 for a more "amp-like" experience. The cool thing about the GT-1000 is that I have cab sims on the sub outs (XLR outs) which go to the interface or PA and I have the cab sims turned off on the main (1/4") outs that go to the power amp and cab. The main outs also have an output knob so it's easy to adjust the volume. I can use all the outputs together, so I can have a guitar cabinet onstage that I control the volume and still be feeding the FOH with the cab sim outs. Pretty cool, will be cooler if I get another cab to run stereo
I'm sure most of the other modelers can do similar setups.
NegativeEase
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Re: The right speaker for digtal/ digital modelling amps..
I second this comment -I would avoid speakers with very distinct voicings -like any Jensen, Greenbacks, 30s or Lead style 70s and 75s. Eminence makes some pretty flat 70 and 75 watt options in my experience.
I second this comment -I would avoid speakers with very distinct voicings -like any Jensen, Greenbacks, 30s or Lead style 70s and 75s. Eminence makes some pretty flat 70 and 75 watt options in my experience.
Re: The right speaker for digtal/ digital modelling amps..
I have a Roland 40XL (cube series). 40 watts with a "10 Roland spec. speaker. The best sounds were the JC clean and acoustic. Black face was Good. The Fender Tweed and Marshall settings were slightly overdriven without any gain added. I swapped the standard speaker for a Celestion Bulldog, samespec 8 ohm and "10". 3 things happened; there was a slight drop in volume output; the Tweed and Marshall voicings cleaned up, ie; no gritty sounds -(unless dialled in). Much better. high gain is slightly smoother. On the other hand the acoustic settings, not quite as good but still pleasing. It's all compromise. The magnet on the Celestion is one third smaller than on the stock speaker. This suggests a large magnet reacts quicker, with a bit more more force and is more sensitive and therefore brings out the harshness apparent in many digital amp modellers...in my opinion
I have a Roland 40XL (cube series). 40 watts with a "10 Roland spec. speaker. The best sounds were the JC clean and acoustic. Black face was Good. The Fender Tweed and Marshall settings were slightly overdriven without any gain added. I swapped the standard speaker for a Celestion Bulldog, samespec 8 ohm and "10". 3 things happened; there was a slight drop in volume output; the Tweed and Marshall voicings cleaned up, ie; no gritty sounds -(unless dialled in). Much better. high gain is slightly smoother. On the other hand the acoustic settings, not quite as good but still pleasing. It's all compromise. The magnet on the Celestion is one third smaller than on the stock speaker. This suggests a large magnet reacts quicker, with a bit more more force and is more sensitive and therefore brings out the harshness apparent in many digital amp modellers...in my opinion
