Thots on the Analogman King of Tone?

[Lewguitar]

Re: Thots on the Analogman King of Tone?

I like what I've heard. However, the waiting time is retarded and the price as well. It's been shown to be nothing more than two bluesbreaker pedals in one enclosure with a very slight change to a cap and a couple of switches.

Don't get me wrong, it sounds great and I'm glad so many folks like it but when it ended-up being traced and shown to be a very slightly tweaked popular DIY build, I got a bit more unimpressed.

To say the KoT is "nothing more than two Bluesbreaker pedals in one enclosure" is like saying Human Beings are nothing more than Chimpanzees because 96% of our DNA is the same. :cool2:

My experience with musicians, especially young guitar players, is that they want the best for cheap and they want it fast.

However, if a guy won't pay for the best, all he's going to get most of the time is two out of three: cheap and fast.

If this thing gives me what I'm looking for $235 is a small price to pay.

But then again, maybe you're right...we'll see after I've had it for a while.

 

[Ayrton]

Re: Thots on the Analogman King of Tone?

If this thing gives me what I'm looking for $235 is a small price to pay.

Can't argue with that at all. I am sure I have a small fortune in OD pedals I will never use again.

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Thots on the Analogman King of Tone?

Can't argue with that at all. I am sure I have a small fortune in OD pedals I will never use again.

No kidding. Me too!

 

[nedcronin]

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Well I've never tried a KOT but I will say Analogman changed my TS-9 from a paperweight to a usable pedal. Still way too much drive for me, but not real fuzzy and squished like a stock one. Also retains the bass nicely. I don't know if it does this well enough for a "mature" blues player whatever that means, but I'm 43 and been playing 30 years and it works ok for me.

 

[Surgeon]

Re: Thots on the Analogman King of Tone?

To say the KoT is "nothing more than two Bluesbreaker pedals in one enclosure" is like saying Human Beings are nothing more than Chimpanzees because 96% of our DNA is the same. :cool2:

My experience with musicians, especially young guitar players, is that they want the best for cheap and they want it fast.

However, if a guy won't pay for the best, all he's going to get most of the time is two out of three: cheap and fast.

If this thing gives me what I'm looking for $235 is a small price to pay.

But then again, maybe you're right...we'll see after I've had it for a while.

You know i have nothing but respect for your opi ion lew but still, putting two of the same circuit in one enclosure and switching 1 cap does not, iMHO, a new design make...

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

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This thread has been very enlightening. I've never really thought about the KoT, but now would like to give one a go!

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Thots on the Analogman King of Tone?

I like what I've heard. However, the waiting time is retarded and the price as well. It's been shown to be nothing more than two bluesbreaker pedals in one enclosure with a very slight change to a cap and a couple of switches.

Don't get me wrong, it sounds great and I'm glad so many folks like it but when it ended-up being traced and shown to be a very slightly tweaked popular DIY build, I got a bit more unimpressed.

The wait time is explained on Mike site and I won't get into it, the price is VERY reasonable if you think about it...it's 2 separate 3 mode OD pedals in one box...that's $117.50 for an OD pedal, very reasonable in todays market.

As for the Bluesbreaker remarks do this...get your hands on a King of Tone and a Bluesbreaker and compare them yourself.

I have done it and there are a lot of differences,maybe the circuits are similar but a 59 4x10 Bassman and a JTM-45 are nearly identical in terms of circuit and they sound rather different...a Lovepedal Eternity and a TS-808 are very similar circuit wise and they sound rather different. I think if you were to A/B a KoT and a BB you'd hear a lot of differences as well and if not...well...I can't help you there.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

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This thread has been very enlightening. I've never really thought about the KoT, but now would like to give one a go!

I've got a butt load of OD pedals that have collected over the years and the KoT is a game changer IMHO.

It's the pedal that been on my board the longest and it's the pedal I find the most useable with various guitars and amps.

Is it for you? I dunno.

Is it for Lew? I dunno that either but I know that I love mine.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

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Quite a difference in my opinion.

In general, the KoT is more open, more expansive and not so squashed, squeezed and compressed as the TS9.

Some of the tones he dials in are similar, but those are also the tones I don't much care for and probably would never use.

Something interesting about that video is that the TS being used is a silver mod from AM...which is less compressed and peaky than a standard TS808 so a stock TS to a KOT is an even bigger difference.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

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That is why I asked my questions. I watched the videos and don't hear what the big deal is.

I have a box full of overdrives, and I still prefer my old TS-9 (which if I remember correctly, I bought from B Bent).

Don't base your whole opinion on a video clip...a lot of the things you'll find in high end OD pedals is they way they feel which can not be captured on a handy cam clip posted on UTOOB that's compressed all to hell and back then listened to thru computer speakers...

The KoT and a TS are worlds apart to my ears and in my experience but that's not to say better...both have their sound and their place and that's why I have both!

Ya know, you being so close you and I should get together one of these days and bring our fav toys and have a good time!

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

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Is it for you? I dunno.

I think it's safe to assume 'no', but Science demands I try one!

 

[Surgeon]

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The wait time is explained on Mike site and I won't get into it, the price is VERY reasonable if you think about it...it's 2 separate 3 mode OD pedals in one box...that's $117.50 for an OD pedal, very reasonable in todays market.

As for the Bluesbreaker remarks do this...get your hands on a King of Tone and a Bluesbreaker and compare them yourself.

I have done it and there are a lot of differences,maybe the circuits are similar but a 59 4x10 Bassman and a JTM-45 are nearly identical in terms of circuit and they sound rather different...a Lovepedal Eternity and a TS-808 are very similar circuit wise and they sound rather different. I think if you were to A/B a KoT and a BB you'd hear a lot of differences as well and if not...well...I can't help you there.

Sorry man, the circuits have been traced and every component confirmed an 1 cap value has been shown to differ, that's all.

I know all about mike's delays and the context.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a bad pedal or anything, I'm just not that impressed by it's design or tone.

You guys don't agree with me and I'm OK with that...

 

[the guy who invented fire]

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Sorry man, the circuits have been traced and every component confirmed an 1 cap value has been shown to differ, that's all.

I know all about mike's delays and the context.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a bad pedal or anything, I'm just not that impressed by it's design or tone.

You guys don't agree with me and I'm OK with that...

Trace all the circuits you want I'm tell you that they have very little in common in terms of tone and at the end of the day that's what important.

At the risk of sounding like a jerk I don't care what you think about this or any other pedal...in these things mine is the only opinion that counts I'm just telling you that until you A/B them for yourself you don't and can't know the differences and on top of that until you A/B for yourself your opinion really holds no weight in the real world.

I got my KoT in 2007 and was knocked out and since I hate worrying about things I decided I needed a spare since I have spares for all the stuff I use on a regular basis. I got on the list for another KoT right away but not wanting to wait 2 years with no spare I started looking at the used market and at that time they were $400-600 when they popped up and I simply couldn't swing it but I soon read about the KoT being the same as a first gen Bluesbreaker so I tracked down a Bluesbreaker I was very let down in a way when the Bluesbreaker didn't sound that much like any of the 3 settings on my KoT.

So, I bought a Bluesbreaker kit that had been "modded to KoT specs"...what a let down...it didn't sound right either and whats more it sounded worse to me than the stock BB or my KoT.

I gave up on the BB=KoT thing right then and there...

I got on the list for the KoT again and have had that KoT waiting in the wings since 2009 as my spare should I ever need it however I let Lew take my spot on it so I now find myself w/o a spare...guess what I did as soon as the transaction was complete with my KoT and Lew...that's right! I'm on the list again! Maybe you think that's nuts but if something happens to my KoT I don't know of anything that sounds close enough to make me happy and as many OD pedals as I have it's a pedal I simply don't want to be without...

 

[the guy who invented fire]

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I think it's safe to assume 'no', but Science demands I try one!

Give it a shot my man...they are very cool pedals and have found homes in lots of pro rigs in lots of different styles!

 

[Surgeon]

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Trace all the circuits you want I'm tell you that they have very little in common in terms of tone and at the end of the day that's what important.

At the risk of sounding like a jerk I don't care what you think about this or any other pedal...in these things mine is the only opinion that counts I'm just telling you that until you A/B them for yourself you don't and can't know the differences and on top of that until you A/B for yourself your opinion really holds no weight in the real world.

I got my KoT in 2007 and was knocked out and since I hate worrying about things I decided I needed a spare since I have spares for all the stuff I use on a regular basis. I got on the list for another KoT right away but not wanting to wait 2 years with no spare I started looking at the used market and at that time they were $400-600 when they popped up and I simply couldn't swing it but I soon read about the KoT being the same as a first gen Bluesbreaker so I tracked down a Bluesbreaker I was very let down in a way when the Bluesbreaker didn't sound that much like any of the 3 settings on my KoT.

So, I bought a Bluesbreaker kit that had been "modded to KoT specs"...what a let down...it didn't sound right either and whats more it sounded worse to me than the stock BB or my KoT.

I gave up on the BB=KoT thing right then and there...

I got on the list for the KoT again and have had that KoT waiting in the wings since 2009 as my spare should I ever need it however I let Lew take my spot on it so I now find myself w/o a spare...guess what I did as soon as the transaction was complete with my KoT and Lew...that's right! I'm on the list again! Maybe you think that's nuts but if something happens to my KoT I don't know of anything that sounds close enough to make me happy and as many OD pedals as I have it's a pedal I simply don't want to be without...

Take it easy buddy.. Did I insult your mom or something?

Unless I'm wrong, I thought this was a discussion, hence the fact that I resPectfully voiced my opinion. Saying you don't agree or care means nothing to me but also makes me wonder why you're here... Looking only for people who agree with you?

Take it easy man...

 

[the guy who invented fire]

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Take it easy buddy.. Did I insult your mom or something?

Unless I'm wrong, I thought this was a discussion, hence the fact that I resPectfully voiced my opinion. Saying you don't agree or care means nothing to me but also makes me wonder why you're here... Looking only for people who agree with you?

Take it easy man...

Nope...i'm fine.

I am simply saying that since you do not have any first hand knowledge your opinion really doesn't matter at least to me.

Now, if you said you had tried a KoT and a Bluesbreaker then I'd be MUCH more interested in your opinion but since you have not then I am not interested in your opinion.

If someone asked about a pedal I'd never tried and all I had to say is that it's a copy of another design...that's not useful info IMO.

There might be similarities in the KoT and the BB but they are not the same and I can assure you they don't sound the same...

 

[Surgeon]

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Fair enough, I only thought that my "mesely" input about the design COULD be of interest to someone somewhere.

I wasn't trying to lower anyone's opinion of the pedal either and I thought I made that clear.

I'll now happily rolling out of this discussion since my contribution seems unwelcome.

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Thots on the Analogman King of Tone?

You know i have nothing but respect for your opi ion lew but still, putting two of the same circuit in one enclosure and switching 1 cap does not, iMHO, a new design make...

You might wind up being right. I don't know. Seems like a lot more than two Bluesbreaker pedals though with the internal switching and all. If I love it, it's a moot point. If I don't love it I'll be agreeing with you! :1:

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Thots on the Analogman King of Tone?

Just heard from Analogmanmike this morning and the pedal has shipped and is on the way!

 

[CapoFirstFret]

Re: Thots on the Analogman King of Tone?

Well I just put myself on the waiting list. Now I have about a year to find a bluesbreaker and then I'll settle this dispute once and for all!

*insert maniacal cackling*