Trainwreck anyone?
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Curly
Moe's Bluesman
Re: Trainwreck anyone?
thank for the link ... I haven't seen it.
I've played a Komet 60. Not a lot, but almost enough to say it is a pretty loud amp that has to be cranked to open up. Nothing new I suppose, but it was so loud I couldn't really get a good read on it in a fairly small space.
this topic is debated ad infinitum on the Gear Page, as well as Dumbles.
both were built on a very individual basis, to fit the player. I think Ken gave his names, like children.
I would love to play one myself, as I play with my fingers and love responsive amps.
beyond that, I think it's really unfortunate that Ken Fischer isn't able to be out there actively in the amp building community.
thank for the link ... I haven't seen it.
I've played a Komet 60. Not a lot, but almost enough to say it is a pretty loud amp that has to be cranked to open up. Nothing new I suppose, but it was so loud I couldn't really get a good read on it in a fairly small space.
this topic is debated ad infinitum on the Gear Page, as well as Dumbles.
both were built on a very individual basis, to fit the player. I think Ken gave his names, like children.
I would love to play one myself, as I play with my fingers and love responsive amps.
beyond that, I think it's really unfortunate that Ken Fischer isn't able to be out there actively in the amp building community.
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firebirdVII
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Re: Trainwreck anyone?
Wow, that clip was pretty cool. I wonder how it's done. I was thinking that it would be cool to design a feedback circuit that would degenerate into chaos when a certain amplitude of guitar signal was input into it, thus distorting fairly easily depending on how you pick.
Does anyone know how trainwrecks do it?
Wow, that clip was pretty cool. I wonder how it's done. I was thinking that it would be cool to design a feedback circuit that would degenerate into chaos when a certain amplitude of guitar signal was input into it, thus distorting fairly easily depending on how you pick.
Does anyone know how trainwrecks do it?
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firebirdVII
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Re: Trainwreck anyone?
I should clarify, I wasn't thinking that the chaotic feedback circuit would result in a touch sensitive amp, I was more interested in what kind of distortion it could cause without necessarily pushing the preamp tubes with a big signal, however, after listening to the clip, it dawned on me that it might be able to be used for that kind of duality.
That certainly would be a fun little thing to experiment with.
I should clarify, I wasn't thinking that the chaotic feedback circuit would result in a touch sensitive amp, I was more interested in what kind of distortion it could cause without necessarily pushing the preamp tubes with a big signal, however, after listening to the clip, it dawned on me that it might be able to be used for that kind of duality.
That certainly would be a fun little thing to experiment with.
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firebirdVII
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Re: Trainwreck anyone?
That would make me even more curious about whether they are in fact using a somewhat controlled chaos in their amps. Chaos requires very specific conditions to occur and they might know some circuits which produce some sort of volume dependant chaos (the harder pick attacks, etc...). This is beginning to become very interesting for me.
Then again, I could be completely wrong :laugh2:
That would make me even more curious about whether they are in fact using a somewhat controlled chaos in their amps. Chaos requires very specific conditions to occur and they might know some circuits which produce some sort of volume dependant chaos (the harder pick attacks, etc...). This is beginning to become very interesting for me.
Then again, I could be completely wrong :laugh2:
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firebirdVII
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Re: Trainwreck anyone?
Small enough that it's not discernable with their equipment is probably what is meant.
Small enough that it's not discernable with their equipment is probably what is meant.
The Trower Freak
New member
Re: Trainwreck anyone?
The four TW vids were posted in several places last year. I saved them to my harddrive. The next paragraph is from Geetarpicker (LP Forum)
'59 Les Paul, '92 Callaham strat. 89' Trainwreck Express. '68 Marshall 4x12 slant, w/25s. Amp has old telefunken 12ax7s, and x2 new Groove tube EL34s. No pedals, no master volume, no attenuator. EARPLUGS THOUGH!
The four TW vids were posted in several places last year. I saved them to my harddrive. The next paragraph is from Geetarpicker (LP Forum)
'59 Les Paul, '92 Callaham strat. 89' Trainwreck Express. '68 Marshall 4x12 slant, w/25s. Amp has old telefunken 12ax7s, and x2 new Groove tube EL34s. No pedals, no master volume, no attenuator. EARPLUGS THOUGH!
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: Trainwreck anyone?
From what I understand he tests the parts and if they aren't what they are supposed to be, right on the money of their stated value, they are rejected for said amp.
Like someone said earlier I've heard he names each and EVERY one. You tell him WHICH Trainwreck you played.
I don't know maybe there is some controlled chaos/voodoo in those circuits.
Luke
From what I understand he tests the parts and if they aren't what they are supposed to be, right on the money of their stated value, they are rejected for said amp.
Like someone said earlier I've heard he names each and EVERY one. You tell him WHICH Trainwreck you played.
I don't know maybe there is some controlled chaos/voodoo in those circuits.
Luke
Sune
New member
Re: Trainwreck anyone?
Look here:
http://www.kometamps.com/sounds.html
sample 9 was recorded with a Trainwreck Express, as you can read on the site.
Can anyone spell TONE for me? :laugh2:
Look here:
http://www.kometamps.com/sounds.html
sample 9 was recorded with a Trainwreck Express, as you can read on the site.
Can anyone spell TONE for me? :laugh2:
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Hoss
Joyfulnoiseologist
Re: Trainwreck anyone?
hehehe...:smack: :laugh2: :smack:
Would that be high gain enough from some of you freaks?
So, EL34's or EL84's?
hehehe...:smack: :laugh2: :smack:
Re: Trainwreck anyone?
On the subject of components, I've been testing every resistor, coupling cap and pot that goes into each amp. They've got to meet a certain tolerance test that I apply. Sometimes, it's not the absolute value of a component that matters as much as matching a pair of components where the signal benefits from two values being identical. The only exception to this rule are electrolytic caps. I just overdo it on those values enough to cover any variances.
I do think the greatest benefit of this is from a QC aspect. It takes a lot of variance out of production. One Edana ought to sound just like any other Edana.
On the subject of components, I've been testing every resistor, coupling cap and pot that goes into each amp. They've got to meet a certain tolerance test that I apply. Sometimes, it's not the absolute value of a component that matters as much as matching a pair of components where the signal benefits from two values being identical. The only exception to this rule are electrolytic caps. I just overdo it on those values enough to cover any variances.
I do think the greatest benefit of this is from a QC aspect. It takes a lot of variance out of production. One Edana ought to sound just like any other Edana.
Young Angus
Kometose Tonologist
Re: Trainwreck anyone?
God I love that clip!!! If it weren't after midnight here I'd be firing up my Komet and plugging in my strat
Awesome amps...I hope to have a Connie one day too
They really only have one volume setting though...BLOODY LOUD! They're made to play with bands and I'm going to get a band going just so I can use the Komet...some sort of southern rock thing.
God I love that clip!!! If it weren't after midnight here I'd be firing up my Komet and plugging in my strat
Awesome amps...I hope to have a Connie one day too
They really only have one volume setting though...BLOODY LOUD! They're made to play with bands and I'm going to get a band going just so I can use the Komet...some sort of southern rock thing.Young Angus
Kometose Tonologist
Re: Trainwreck anyone?
Hmmm watching that trainwreck clip again I think if I did crank up the Komet now I'd just be annoyed because it wouldn't sound like that!
Probably much closer than most other amps...but there is still something there that is the reason why they cost about $10,000 more than a Komet
Hmmm watching that trainwreck clip again I think if I did crank up the Komet now I'd just be annoyed because it wouldn't sound like that!
Probably much closer than most other amps...but there is still something there that is the reason why they cost about $10,000 more than a Komet
Hoss
Joyfulnoiseologist
Curly
Moe's Bluesman
Re: Trainwreck anyone?
Scott,
if you read about the Komet and 'wrecks, they were simple circuits with no "features" -
so component values and physical layout were critical
for instance, if you were to add the effect of standard tolerance components, you could get varying results in the same circuit
I'm obviously stating the obvious.
a simple analogy though is a Fuzz Face, which is a very simple circuit, but from what we know, the good ones were totally dependent on the value of the components
Scott,
if you read about the Komet and 'wrecks, they were simple circuits with no "features" -
so component values and physical layout were critical
for instance, if you were to add the effect of standard tolerance components, you could get varying results in the same circuit
I'm obviously stating the obvious.
a simple analogy though is a Fuzz Face, which is a very simple circuit, but from what we know, the good ones were totally dependent on the value of the components
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Trainwreck anyone?
Im not trying to be a downer here but cloneing a 'Wreck is not as easy as simply building it off the schematic and using really high dollar parts...Kenny did a lot of things in those amps that were never written down on any schematic anywhere, things that make a huge difference.
Im not saying that someone could not build an amp that is a copy of the schematic from an Express or a Rocket or whatever but building a true clone is out of the question.
Im sure if someone were to build an amp off a Trainwreck schematic it would be a great sounding amp but I can't see it being anywhere as amazing as a real 'Wreck
Im not trying to be a downer here but cloneing a 'Wreck is not as easy as simply building it off the schematic and using really high dollar parts...Kenny did a lot of things in those amps that were never written down on any schematic anywhere, things that make a huge difference.
Im not saying that someone could not build an amp that is a copy of the schematic from an Express or a Rocket or whatever but building a true clone is out of the question.
Im sure if someone were to build an amp off a Trainwreck schematic it would be a great sounding amp but I can't see it being anywhere as amazing as a real 'Wreck
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