tube swapping and pulling in fenders

Chickenwings

Alnico 6/8
I know a lot of ppl here have fender blackface and silverface type amps and i found a resource (at the bottom of this post) thats invaluable and i wanted to share it with you guys.
After experimenting, and re checking etc i ended up settling on a few small and reversible tube changes:
I changed the PI in my fender twin from an AT7 to an AX7...which reduced the headroom a bit, caused a touch more compression and generally made the amp sweeter and more pleasant to my ears. I took out V1 also. The cool thing about this stuff is that if you pull v1, then you have a spare ax7 to use in your PI!

For any other fender black/silverface style amp owners (im talking deluxe reverbs, twin, supers etc...anything with the two channels on the front). Heres some info i dug up:

1. Removing V1 disables channel 1 (most of us dont use it anyway) and add a little more power to the preamp in channel 2. A slight increase in gain, presence and fatness will be noticeable. The reverse is true of V2 if you prefer the normal channel.
2. V2 is the first preamp tube for the reverb channel..this is the one to experiment with because its the most important tone shaper (that is, unless you use the normal channel)
3. v3 is the reverb send
4. v4 is reverb return/vibrato send
5. v5 is the vibrato return - you can pull this out if you dont use the vibrato and you will get another slight increase in fatness and presence.
6. V6 - usually this kind of amp uses an at7 - remember leo fender did not like distortion - so its geared for headroom. An ax7 will reduce clean headroom a little, which may be good in the case of a twin, or not what you are after in the case of a deluxe reverb.

Current brands that i like for v1/2:
JJs for fatness, headroom, warmth and bass with smooth tops
Tung sols for clarity, presence and rich harmonic content
EH for low noise and mid grunt for high gain.

Best resource ever for fender amp owners who like to tweak:
http://fenderguru.com/amps
 
Re: tube swapping and pulling in fenders

I have a DRRI.

for tone shaping on the vibe channel, I've read that v4 is 2nd most important after v2. Stick your best sounding 12ax7s in V2 and V4.
I've read that the sound quality of v5 does not matter at all. Any working tube works like a charm there.

I have an EH in V1 as I think it adds a little top end back into the normal channel.
V2 is a Japanese old stock 12AX7 made for raytheon, and it sounds fantastic.
my V3 is the stock sovtek 12ax7wc
v4 is an old stock matsush1ta 12ax7
my v5 is again a 12ax7wc
v6 is the stock 12at7 but I'm gonna go find another japanese 12ax7 I think

I;ve switched between the at and ax types for the PI and for the most part the difference is subtle until you get pretty loud. I'm gonna mess with it some more but so far I really like my v2 and v4 combo.
 
Re: tube swapping and pulling in fenders

Just yanked my v1 and put the EH 12ax7 in the PI.

So my amp's louder now, but the low-volume sounds are a good bit richer.
The increase in volume prompted me to try the 2nd imput and see if it cuts the mustard for nighttime practice. It does.

For anyone looking to try this mod, just do it. I didn't lose anything I liked about the sweet blackface clean sounds, and I'll have to try it on vol=5 later.
 
Re: tube swapping and pulling in fenders

fuse- try dropping the V1 tube out entirely and put your fave ax7 in v2....
v3 and 4 i reckon lowest noise is good...so maybe your EHs
same for v5 even tho it doesnt do much for tone, low noise is always good.
glad you dig the ax7 in v6!

in my princeton reverb II i have gone tung sols all the way thru. Ive had jjs in the power section before, but i like the less headroom that the tung sols give -more vintage jazzy sound. The tungsols in the pre are top shelf, ive tried a bunch of stuff in there, but the tung sols are staying.
in the twin i will probably end up with jjs all the way thru. right now it has a mish mash of stuff in the preamp including phillips, eh, mullard and a jj in v2. The power tubes are sovtek 5881s, but im gonna swap them out for jjs and keep the 5881s as spares.
so yeah - for low wattage fender i like tung sols, and for the big hefty twin i like jjs. ive had jjs in my marshall power section and in a boogie and they are amazing, so hopefully they will be equally good in the twin. I think fat and warm is better than bright in a huge powerful amp with plenty of headroom. Too much top end at high volume will reduce your sperm count at 100 yards.
Ive changed a few tubes in my old HRD and blues juniors, but they are really different amps altogether. For bjs, i reckon jj cos they need all the help they can get re: headroom and for the HRD i reckon EH is good.
 
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Re: tube swapping and pulling in fenders

Err, yeah I meant that I completely pulled v1 out and did put it in the PI.
 
Re: tube swapping and pulling in fenders

another common mod is to install one of those dspstdstf pots on the trem speed and have it disconnect when all the way down. From what I understand it's a similar effect to removing v1. Haven't done it yet though
 
Re: tube swapping and pulling in fenders

another common mod is to install one of those dspstdstf pots on the trem speed and have it disconnect when all the way down. From what I understand it's a similar effect to removing v1. Haven't done it yet though

cool!
id like to do that to the sens pot on my mashall MKIII. Remove the clip circuit.
 
Re: tube swapping and pulling in fenders

Try a 5751 in v1 or v2 if you only use the Vibrato channels. It will lower the gain, but your highs won't smear and the amp sounds fatter and more articulate.
 
Re: tube swapping and pulling in fenders

the big reason the vibrato channel sounds better is there is a third stage of gain. our aussie friend has it just a little off in his tube role description. the vibrato is all one tube. the second half of the reverb tube is the third gain stage. if you dont use the vibrato you can pull that tube too.

the second halves of v1 and v2 share a resistor which is most of the reason you get a different sound when you pull one of them. you also free up a little current but its hard to say how much that effects things unless you are running it hard.

i run a 5751 in v2 of my dr and love it
 
Re: tube swapping and pulling in fenders

cool!
id like to do that to the sens pot on my mashall MKIII. Remove the clip circuit.

I have that Pot in my 68 DR, but I rarely use it. I bought it from a Jazz player & he needed a little more volume, but I find it tends to add too much gain & I lose some of the note separation when playing chords & soloing. Just gets a little too boomy for my taste. I am planning on having the amp retubed soon, si I will bring this to my Techs attention & see what he has to say. He always does the right thing for me.
 
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