Weight relived Les Paul article

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ANyone knows if Epiphone LP is also weight-relieved?

No one knows what they do to Epiphones. Could be anything.

Might be Mahogany. Might be Alder. Might be both. Could be filled with styrofoam or cardboard. Might be a veneered formica table top. Just let it go and enjoy the guitar. Only madness lies down this path of questioning.
 
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If you look at Gibson's website, they don't put in there "Honduras" Mahogany... rather, they just specify that it's "Mahogany".

Thing is, "True" Mahogany such as the Honduras Mahogany and so-called "Faux" Mahogany such as the Philippine Mahogany, are ALL called "Mahogany" commercially. In other words, Gibson is NOT lying. Also, I believe that there's a law in the USA which makes false advertisement illegal. Marketing people in Gibson should have been in Jail now had they specified in their website that they use "Honduras Mahogany" where in fact they use faux Mahogany.

1st fret burner - You hail from Manila Phillipines and are trying to tell an American about US laws? Brilliant, I believe!

2nd Mahogany is a wood that originated in the Americas, it does not come for “Philippines” While there is a species of wood that has minor similarities called “Lauan” that grows in the Philippines, it is not a true Mahogany and quite matter of fact rots rather quickly (5~7 years) compared to true Mahogany (Can be over 100 years).

3rd From Gibson’s webs site "When you’re talking Gibson, mahogany is frequently going to factor into the brew.”

4th While two of the three TRUE mahogany species has been transplanted to India, Indonesia, Philippines, and Thailand, it is not the same species of Mahogany that Gibson Les Pauls and SG were made from in the 50’s, 60’s and early 70’s.

For your education…

The name mahogany is commonly applied to many different kinds of tropical hardwood, most of which are reddish-brown in colour and widely employed in furniture-making, boat building and other high specification uses. However, there are only three species of true mahogany, all of which are indigenous to the Americas. These are Swietenia mahagoni, S. macrophylla, and S. humilis. The natural distribution of these species within the Americas is geographically distinct. S. mahagoni grows on the West Indian islands as far north as the Bahamas, the Florida Keys and parts of Florida; S. humilis grows in the dry regions of the Pacific coast of Central America from south-western Mexico to Costa Rica; S. macrophylla grows in Central America from Yucatan southwards and into South America, extending as far as Peru, Bolivia and extreme western Brazil.

Swietenia macrophylla can become an invasive species when introduced into tropical countries where it is not native. The trees have no natural enemies in their new habitats and grow very rapidly. Seeds sprout in high numbers and tolerate more diverse light conditions than natives, giving rise to dense stands of mahogany trees where no other vegetation can grow, causing severe ecological disruption. It is an invasive species in the Philippines


PS: Please say hello to all the working girls on Fields Avenue, Lungsod ng Angeles for me.
 
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While that article read well, the fact is, we all know that Gibson started doing this without anyone's knowledge. And had people not found out, we don't know that they EVER would have told us.

The Gibson company is full of secrets, mis-information, deception, spin doctors,and flat out liars. I don't care what they say anymore, I don't believe them.

I remember that people first got the real deal about swiss-cheesing when somebody posted xrays. I forgot which forum that originated on.

I hear that some/most PRS are also weight-relived and I'm curious about details. I don't have an xray machine, though.
 
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I hear that some/most PRS are also weight-relived and I'm curious about details. I don't have an xray machine, though.

I find the SC245 and the weight relieved Les Paul Standard have a fairly similar vibe. Both lacked the low end lug I associate with a solid Les Paul.
 
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I find the SC245 and the weight relieved Les Paul Standard have a fairly similar vibe. Both lacked the low end lug I associate with a solid Les Paul.

I'd also like to know whether the original PRS guitars without maple cap are one-piece bodies or do they have a carved mahogany top?
 
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1st fret burner - You hail from Manila Phillipines and are trying to tell an American about US laws? Brilliant, I believe!

2nd Mahogany is a wood that originated in the Americas, it does not come for “Philippines” While there is a species of wood that has minor similarities called “Lauan” that grows in the Philippines, it is not a true Mahogany and quite matter of fact rots rather quickly (5~7 years) compared to true Mahogany (Can be over 100 years).

3rd From Gibson’s webs site "When you’re talking Gibson, mahogany is frequently going to factor into the brew.”

4th While two of the three TRUE mahogany species has been transplanted to India, Indonesia, Philippines, and Thailand, it is not the same species of Mahogany that Gibson Les Pauls and SG were made from in the 50’s, 60’s and early 70’s.

For your education…

The name mahogany is commonly applied to many different kinds of tropical hardwood, most of which are reddish-brown in colour and widely employed in furniture-making, boat building and other high specification uses. However, there are only three species of true mahogany, all of which are indigenous to the Americas. These are Swietenia mahagoni, S. macrophylla, and S. humilis. The natural distribution of these species within the Americas is geographically distinct. S. mahagoni grows on the West Indian islands as far north as the Bahamas, the Florida Keys and parts of Florida; S. humilis grows in the dry regions of the Pacific coast of Central America from south-western Mexico to Costa Rica; S. macrophylla grows in Central America from Yucatan southwards and into South America, extending as far as Peru, Bolivia and extreme western Brazil.

Swietenia macrophylla can become an invasive species when introduced into tropical countries where it is not native. The trees have no natural enemies in their new habitats and grow very rapidly. Seeds sprout in high numbers and tolerate more diverse light conditions than natives, giving rise to dense stands of mahogany trees where no other vegetation can grow, causing severe ecological disruption. It is an invasive species in the Philippines


PS: Please say hello to all the working girls on Fields Avenue, Lungsod ng Angeles for me.

I have neighbors with PhDs in Forestry okay? One of them was a major in Wood Chemistry... So don't attempt to lecture me unless you can show me a PhD. I talk to them a lot and I ask them all these stuffs, and they were even the first to tell me Philippine Mahogany is NOT true Mahogany.

However... That is NOT the issue.

The issue is that you tell people here that Gibson is lying to people by saying some of their Guitars are made of Honduras Mahogany noting, for example, that Gibson Studios are made of Honduras Mahogany. NOWHERE in their website did they put "Honduras Mahogany". What they have in their website is just "Mahogany".

Deal with it.
 
I have neighbors with PhDs in Forestry okay? One of them was a major in Wood Chemistry... So don't attempt to lecture me unless you can show me a PhD. I talk to them a lot and I ask them all these stuffs, and they were even the first to tell me Philippine Mahogany is NOT true Mahogany.

However... That is NOT the issue.

The issue is that you tell people here that Gibson is lying to people by saying some of their Guitars are made of Honduras Mahogany noting, for example, that Gibson Studios are made of Honduras Mahogany. NOWHERE in their website did they put "Honduras Mahogany". What they have in their website is just "Mahogany".

Deal with it.

Wood Chemistry. WOW where did he buy that Phd from Makati University?

You don't have that or any other Phd do you?

So you're not able to brag about your table-talk knowledge, now are you.

You have been death with...


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Wood Chemistry. WOW where did he buy that Phd from Makati University?

You don't have that or any other Phd do you?

So you're not able to brag about your table-talk knowledge, now are you.

You have been death with...

If you're going to resort to personal insults regarding someone's education you could at least come up with something intelligent.
 
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Wood Chemistry. WOW where did he buy that Phd from Makati University?

You don't have that or any other Phd do you?

So you're not able to brag about your table-talk knowledge, now are you.

You have been death with...


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This is going to be my last post on the topic.

I don't have a PhD, but my friends and neighbors (since childhood) have PhDs from the best University in the Country, with one of them a former Dean in another top University. These folks get invited to Regional and even International conferences and they have published works. They know their stuff and I trust them more than any link from a Google search.

I have an Engineering Degree and an MBA from the premiere University of the country and works for a Fortune 100 Company. I am in fact going stateside very soon to participate in a series of reviews with several VPs as well as our Chief Operating Officer, in this highly regarded American company.

I'm probably not as dumb as you think I am. And...

the discussion was supposed to be healthy until this.

Nwy... Carry on.
 
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Really? Thats some major weaksauce there. Copy pasting stuff from wikipedia doesnt give you a PHD.

Never said I have a Phd!

I commented on a post where the poster said her knew a lot of people with Phd… Read the freaking text!
 
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Never said I have a Phd!

I commented on a post where the poster said her knew a lot of people with Phd… Read the freaking text!

Hey Skippy I did. Here Ill spell it out for you. You attempted to insult his lack of education when you yourself dont have any better than him. Hence my comment that your really lame trying to insult him when all your doing is copy pasting from wikipedia.

You got pretty thin skin for someone that flies red and white.
 
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Guys, it's Stratman. Just put him on the ignore list and move on. It's the only thing that works.
 
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so if I want a fully solid les paul...

what guitar do I need to buy?

something tells me they dont weight relieve epiphones.
 
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so if I want a fully solid les paul...

what guitar do I need to buy?

something tells me they dont weight relieve epiphones.

Gibson historic line except the 68 LP Custom and some 58 models.

Old MIJ Les Pauls (Burny, Greco, Tokai etc).

Some 1970ties LP Customs are nice guitars and not too expensive.

I would still like to know for sure whether PRS carved top guitars are weight relived or not.
 
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I would still like to know for sure whether PRS carved top guitars are weight relived or not.

This thread seems to indicate that some (if not all?) Singlecuts are weight relieved, though the SC 250s and SC 245s are not?

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