Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...

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That's one of the stupidest comments I've ever read here. Find something better to do with your time, and hopefully one day you won't let such trivial things get under your skin. Seriously, if you're going to hate something, don't waste the passion and thought on something this petty in the grand scheme of things.

Please don't instigate a flame war. There's a difference between debating how the premium guitar market works and what you're doing.
 
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Please don't instigate a flame war. There's a difference between debating how the premium guitar market works and what you're doing.

I dont see anybody flaming nor do I see anyone debating the premium guitar market.

Lets just let it all drop as this is way off topic anyways.
 
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"Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line..." seems on topic to me.
 
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"Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line..." seems on topic to me.

Sorry but you hating people who have more money than you has nothing to do with Gibson lowering their prices.
 
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Sorry but you hating people who have more money than you has nothing to do with Gibson lowering their prices.

How they spend their money. There are lots of reasons to hate how people spend their money. Many people hate what the Koch bros. or George Soros spend their money on, because it ends up affecting more than just the person spending the money. People hate it when an area becomes gentrified. People hate it when car buyers buy gas guzzlers and spend a lot of money burning gas, or turn a pristine town into a popular tourist destination. I hate it when buyers over inflate the value of an item way above it's intrinsic or it's utility value.
 
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I love gas guzzlers. They are the most fun. Let people be people.
 
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I think I'll be buying a 2015 Gibson at the new sticker price. If anyone that hates me for how I spend my money on guitar gear, thankfully their opinion means as much as breasts on a bull. A few of those guitars look like they could benefit from swapping some parts, which I'd do anyways.
 
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That's entry level though, that's a special case. The difference gets exponentially wider as you up the trim level.

I read this as: This evidence is invalid because it disagrees with my point.
 
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Same old song and dance, just let him play by himself.

I can't remember, but do any 2015 SGs have P90s?
 
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I don't fault them for pursuing profit.

Gibson is able to take it to a further extreme because so many guitar buyers see them as the Rolex of the guitar world. I'm willing to buy premium guitars, but not Gibsons, they're able to charge way too much for the name alone.

The defense rests, your honor.
 
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I'll start with a disclaimer. 3 of my 7 guitars are Gibsons. Never paid more than 1600 CDN for one, even paid $400 for one. I'm happy with the price/value I've gotten. But I've never even contemplated buying a 5-8000 historic. So I've got no skin in this game.

But how do you determine the "intrinsic value" of a thing? I don't mean in some fundamental, Econ grad level way, but even in a practical way.

If you see a guitar as a mechanism to hold strings in tune to make noise through an amplifier, I suppose you might say a well-built guitar has an intrinsic value of (making up numbers here) $500.

But then there's how the guitar looks. Attractiveness is intrinsic, you buy many things for intrinsic beauty (a dozen roses versus a bundle of stinkweed). If you want the functional intrinsic value and the beauty intrinsic value, how much will you spend? I guess it would depend on what you find beautiful: a simple finish or something that takes many coats (man hours) to make.

Then there are what you might call extrinsic things, but they can still be very important to someone without that person being Mr. Burns. Maybe a guitar just like the one your deceased father had, or one like the one you looked at longingly when you were a broke kid, and now you have a job.

Maybe you make good money but hate your job. So your one joy in life is to come home and play the same three blues licks on a guitar that looks like the ones your heroes used when you were a kid.

Maybe you just have the collector gene. You know, the guys who want original 1930s toy train pieces, who travel all around the country going to conventions to get them. Is the rarity of the thing an intrinsic or extrinsic value? Depends on if you're that guy or not. My father-in-law has spent the price of a new car restoring an old 60s Mercury convertible. Is he being unwise? He looks pretty happy and fulfilled about it, even though he could have had a brand new Honda Accord which is (intrinsically?) the better car.

I suppose if buying a Collector's Choice Les Paul took money away from groceries for your kids, the buyer might be a bad person. But someone dropping $4K for a nice instrument who can afford it is hardly someone deserving of hate. 4000 is a lot of money to me, but people spend that all the time on vacations or golf club memberships or drinks out (hopefully not all in one go!).

Other guys might like to own 20 $500 guitars. Good for them. Although the 4K gibson owner might look down on them for being wasteful with the Earth's resources (after all, eating foie gras or a dozen big macs are just the two sides of gluttony.)

Hate is a pretty strong word for people with a little disposable income (arguably) paying a little too much for a guitar.
 
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Same old song and dance, just let him play by himself.

I can't remember, but do any 2015 SGs have P90s?

Nope. There are a couple LP Jr's out right now, though. I'm not a huge P90 in a solid body kind of guy. I like the nasty, scratchy kind of sounds you get in a semi hollow with P90's.
 
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I read this as: This evidence is invalid because it disagrees with my point.

It's not uncommon for luxury brands to have a low priced entry level model. That doesn't invalidate critique of the rest of their product line.

The defense rests, your honor.

As I've said, I fault the buyers of Gibsons, not Gibson, but I should further qualify that to say that I fault the buyers of high priced Gibsons. If everyone only ever bought "Studio" models, you'd see the prices along the whole line come down.
 
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It's not uncommon for luxury brands to have a low priced entry level model. That doesn't invalidate critique of the rest of their product line.

Why do they deserve critique? Just because you can't buy one doesn't mean they shouldn't sell them. The average person can't buy a private jet. Doesn't mean that private jets should be banned worldwide.
 
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