What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

[GoldenVulture]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

Well Na, Na, Na to you to. Why is it that almost the moment someone disagrees with you guys that the whole thread almost immediately falls into chaos and anarchy? So goes another tone wood extravaganza.

- https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showpost.php?p=3288403&postcount=8 -
So everything since this post of yours has been chaos and anarchy ?
More like you've got your panties in a knot because we didn't agree with you.

When it comes to the issue at hand , you are in a massive minority with your opinion, yet we're all wrong. Something tells me your intransigence is that of some one with a wooden head, not that it makes any diff to you.
It's been nice talking to you, wall.

 

[BEACHBUM]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

- https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showpost.php?p=3288403&postcount=8 -
So everything since this post of yours has been chaos and anarchy ?
More like you've got your panties in a knot because we didn't agree with you.

When it comes to the issue at hand , you are in a massive minority with your opinion, yet we're all wrong. Something tells me your intransigence is that of some one with a wooden head, not that it makes any diff to you.
It's been nice talking to you, wall.

:bowdown: I seem to remember more than a few posters on this thread who disagreed with the wood effecting tone argument. The reason that I'm in the minority at this point in time is that as usual when this topic is posted a few intolerant pro fanatics come out of the woodwork (pun intended) and begin their inevitable harassment. Many people feel uncomfortable with that and simply don't see the point in it so they bail. It's not that you are all wrong. It's that you and a couple of others are all wrong and since you and I and a couple of others are the only ones stubborn enough to want to play last man standing you've decided that it's me against everyone. Nice try but it doesn't work that way. Try to remember that none of us can prove any of this and evidently your wooden head is every bit as hard as mine is.

 

[GoldenVulture]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

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Nice try but it doesn't work that way. Try to remember that none of us can prove any of this and evidently your wooden head is every bit as hard as mine is.

In your mind.

If it didn't make any diff. we all would've been playing plastic guitars decades ago.
All the major manufacturers are wrong ?
Tone wood is an abberant concept?
Gibson, Fender, Gretch and many more offer up different woods in the bodies and the necks just to get our sales, it really is nothing more than a sales gimmick ?

No, my head isn't made of petrified wood.

 

[crusty philtrum]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

No, my head isn't made of petrified wood.

That's right, because your name isn't Edward.

Edward Woodward's head is made of wood, and lots of it apparently. Possibly even three types, which could reinforce the argument that wood matters.

 

[Zhaggy]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

Try to remember that none of us can prove any of this...

I hope you're not talking about proving that different woods make a difference in the sound. Because if you are then... just wow. The fact is that there either IS or ISN'T a difference. If there is whether you can hear it or want to hear it or even care about it is irrelevant. So you say that we can detect and measure what sub-atomic particles going near (some say over) light speed do but all of a sudden we can't detect differences in sound that different woods make. Please. I must have been hugely mistaken about the current status and capabilities of modern science then.

Some of you guys wouldn't even believe this if you were presented a study on the matter conforming this. But, hey, if you don't care about whether there is a difference there is nothing wrong with that and I couldn't care less. But don't come telling others what to do.

 

[G0lden]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

This whole thread is like a Color Blind person saying that there is no such thing as the color Red and Green. We just made them up to make money. And no matter how many pictures of Red and Green we post, they will never understand.

 

[verbotenco]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

Well Na, Na, Na to you to. Why is it that almost the moment someone disagrees with you guys that the whole thread almost immediately falls into chaos and anarchy? So goes another tone wood extravaganza.

To them this forum is like religion. Have you insulted blues music in front of blues musicians. All hell will break loose. Same thing here. Like muslims all over the world going berserk over stupid Muhammad cartoon.

 

[Grindspine]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

verbotenco, just stop. You're trolling and we realize that.

Beachbum, you saying that tone woods do not make a difference is like saying there is no difference between the taste of duck, turkey, and chicken. All three are similar birds, yet those who have eaten the meats of all three can tell you they taste different. Tone wood is similar in that those minor variances can make a huge difference to some people.

 

[GoldenVulture]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

To them this forum is like religion. Have you insulted blues music in front of blues musicians. All hell will break loose. Same thing here. Like muslims all over the world going berserk over stupid Muhammad cartoon.

Hahahaha!!! Sure.

 

[verbotenco]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

Okay here's the deal: You hear what you want to hear. If you believe your guitar will sound different after a neck change, fretboard change, the neck having soaked in beer, etc., etc., you WILL hear a difference. But there is no goddamn way to confirm that what you believe do exist in reality. Okay, maybe using a computer you can confirm the difference but to human ear it is so insignificant you won't be able to detect it in a blind test.

It's like believing in God. There is no living proof that God is real, but you have faith in it so you believe that God exists. Or believing that your wife/ husband isn't thinking about anyone else while in bed with you. If you trust him/ her, so be it.

 

[Zhaggy]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

To them this forum is like religion. Have you insulted blues music in front of blues musicians. All hell will break loose. Same thing here. Like muslims all over the world going berserk over stupid Muhammad cartoon.

There is a big difference between insulting and criticizing. But I guess you don't know the difference.

 

[verbotenco]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

I hope you're not talking about proving that different woods make a difference in the sound. Because if you are then... just wow. The fact is that there either IS or ISN'T a difference. If there is whether you can hear it or want to hear it or even care about it is irrelevant. So you say that we can detect and measure what sub-atomic particles going near (some say over) light speed do but all of a sudden we can't detect differences in sound that different woods make. Please. I must have been hugely mistaken about the current status and capabilities of modern science then.

Some of you guys wouldn't even believe this if you were presented a study on the matter conforming this. But, hey, if you don't care about whether there is a difference there is nothing wrong with that and I couldn't care less. But don't come telling others what to do.

He means we can't prove this using human ears or without a computerized system of some sort. You probably can detect frequency difference using a computer or detector, but not using your own hearing.

 

[Robert S.]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

Really?

Some of you should take up guitar PLAYING...

A young lady goes to her grandmother with a problem but she is almost too shy to ask. Finally she gets up her nerve and says "Granda, my boyfriend wants to have oral sex and I don't know I if should do it". Her Grandma looks up with a smile and says "be grateful sweety, most boys aren't happy just talking about..."

If you were doing it you wouldn't need to talk about it.

 

[verbotenco]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

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In your mind.

If it didn't make any diff. we all would've been playing plastic guitars decades ago.
All the major manufacturers are wrong ?
Tone wood is an abberant concept?
Gibson, Fender, Gretch and many more offer up different woods in the bodies and the necks just to get our sales, it really is nothing more than a sales gimmick ?

No, my head isn't made of petrified wood.

If you use plastic the sound will be totally different than wood. But we are comparing wood with wood here, not wood with other material.

 

[Zhaggy]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

He means we can't prove this using human ears or without a computerized system of some sort. You probably can detect frequency difference using a computer or detector, but not using your own hearing.

Okay here's the deal: If you can't hear the difference that doesn't mean there isn't a difference and that others can't hear it.

 

[phil_104]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

And to think that while 9 pages of this stuff was written, I was out playing guitar.


Listen dudes, some people don't get it, some people don't want to get it. If some of you want to believe there is no difference, that's cool. I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. But you can still live a happy and healthy life. I'll just keep getting guitars that sound good to my ears while considering the tone woods involved and narrowing my searches based on general tonal traits of said materials, and others can carry on going to guitar stores, standing in front of the guitar wall and commenting loudly between themselves that you'd be a moron to pay extra for a guitar with a high grade ebony fretboard rather than using pieces of 1960s art deco table tops. At the end of the day I'll be happy playing what I have, and you'll be happy being convinced you uncovered a ploy to pull the wool over guitarists eyes when it comes to guitar construction. I'll be right and you'll be wrong, but we will both be happy, and that's all that matters to me. Because I care.

 

[GoldenVulture]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

And to think that while 9 pages of this stuff was written, I was out playing guitar.


Listen dudes, some people don't get it, some people don't want to get it. If some of you want to believe there is no difference, that's cool. I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. But you can still live a happy and healthy life. I'll just keep getting guitars that sound good to my ears while considering the tone woods involved and narrowing my searches based on general tonal traits of said materials, and others can carry on going to guitar stores, standing in front of the guitar wall and commenting loudly between themselves that you'd be a moron to pay extra for a guitar with a high grade ebony fretboard rather than using pieces of 1960s art deco table tops. At the end of the day I'll be happy playing what I have, and you'll be happy being convinced you uncovered a ploy to pull the wool over guitarists eyes when it comes to guitar construction. I'll be right and you'll be wrong, but we will both be happy, and that's all that matters to me. Because I care.

:laugh2:

 

[BEACHBUM]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

Okay here's the deal: You hear what you want to hear. If you believe your guitar will sound different after a neck change, fretboard change, the neck having soaked in beer, etc., etc., you WILL hear a difference. But there is no goddamn way to confirm that what you believe do exist in reality. Okay, maybe using a computer you can confirm the difference but to human ear it is so insignificant you won't be able to detect it in a blind test.

It's like believing in God. There is no living proof that God is real, but you have faith in it so you believe that God exists. Or believing that your wife/ husband isn't thinking about anyone else while in bed with you. If you trust him/ her, so be it.

+1000

I keep hearing the "Woodies" talk about science but I've never seen a single one of them present the science. Once again it's all based on hearsay, confused analogies, and suspect perceptions. Does a leaf make a noise when it falls to the ground? I expect it does. Can you hear it? I expect you can't. Does it matter? I don't think so.

 

[RayBarbeeMusic]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

Whatever.

It makes a difference. Not a subtle one either. I wish it didn't, because I have guitars with ebony boards that I otherwise like, but that pingy attack drives me up a F'in wall after a while. We can't help the deafness of those who can't hear it.

My suggestion for people who don't think that wood makes a difference is that you get a nice plywood asian import from the 70s or 80s and whatever modeling amp you can get for the least amount of money at your local pawn shop, and call it a day. Why are you even on a gear forum? It doesn't make a difference, so don't waste your time.

 

[phil_104]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

+1000

I keep hearing the "Woodies" talk about science but I've never seen a single one of them present the science. Once again it's all based on hearsay, confused analogies, and suspect perceptions. Does a leaf make a noise when it falls to the ground? I expect it does. Can you hear it? I expect you can't. Does it matter? I don't think so.

Like I said in my last post : I'd agree with you, but we'd both be wrong.