Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

[Snake Aces]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

I had my own reasons for coming to this conclusion, mainly that the fruits of psychology are almost entirely the result of guess work. Even if the data gathering portion of psychology is somewhat objective, the conclusions they reach and how they act on them are usually a matter of interpretation.

But then I found this article that sums it up better, so I thought I would share, since it also illuminates to the difficulty with coming to any final conclusion on the issue of gender differences:


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/13/news/la-ol-blowback-pscyhology-science-20120713

Ridiculous. First of all, modern psychology is an entirely different beast. Neuron patterns, paths and the communication between them is science and has helped society achieve a better and more accurate understanding of psychology.

Psychology was always science. The science of understanding human behavior, emotions, thoughts, desires, etc through scientific experiments to help form theories was always a science. All science, in one form or another, began it's journey as nothing more than "guess work". This post of DreX is laughable at best.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

I had my own reasons for coming to this conclusion, mainly that the fruits of psychology are almost entirely the result of guess work. Even if the data gathering portion of psychology is somewhat objective, the conclusions they reach and how they act on them are usually a matter of interpretation.

But then I found this article that sums it up better, so I thought I would share, since it also illuminates to the difficulty with coming to any final conclusion on the issue of gender differences:


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/13/news/la-ol-blowback-pscyhology-science-20120713

That sounds like a lot of hogwash.

By those same requirements, we could say the same of astronomy, considering that Pluto is a planet then isn't then is then isn't and might become a planet again soon.

 

[Myaccount876]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

I had my own reasons for coming to this conclusion, mainly that the fruits of psychology are almost entirely the result of guess work. Even if the data gathering portion of psychology is somewhat objective, the conclusions they reach and how they act on them are usually a matter of interpretation.

But then I found this article that sums it up better, so I thought I would share, since it also illuminates to the difficulty with coming to any final conclusion on the issue of gender differences:


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/13/news/la-ol-blowback-pscyhology-science-20120713

I will acknowledge that there are Freudian psychoanalysists who were more coke heads than they were scientists, you'd have a strong argument there. But come on, scientific journals universally use APA format - the American Psychological Association format - for how well it works. Biology and Chemistry are also VERY closely related to Psychology - there's a ton of overlap with each field contributing greatly to each other. Psychology is a science. More so than it isn't a science. Pseudo-psychology is not a science, because it is not psychology.

Also, how is something "somewhat objective"? Can you elaborate more on what that means?

EDIT: I just read the part of the article you quoted. Most of it just seemed to be opinionated rambling without any specific examples. It's also very generalizing, like saying psychologists can't take measurements - so they create arbitrary number scales. They could've brought up Kholberg's Theory of Moral Development to support their claim about arbitrary number scales, but they didn't. But that'd also be assuming all psychologists agree with each other - Behaviorists like BF Skinner would scoff at Kholberg, because hardcore Behaviorists mainly believe in studying only what can be objectionally observed and measured. For you DreX, I highly recommend that you research the Behaviorist school of psychology. I think you'll like what you'll see.

 

[Dr. Vegetable]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

If a woman played guitar and there wasn't a man around to hear it, would he still be wrong?

 

[DreX]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

Ridiculous. First of all, modern psychology is an entirely different beast. Neuron patterns, paths and the communication between them is science and has helped society achieve a better and more accurate understanding of psychology.

That's neuroscience, not "modern psychology".

 

[DreX]

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That sounds like a lot of hogwash.

By those same requirements, we could say the same of astronomy, considering that Pluto is a planet then isn't then is then isn't and might become a planet again soon.

Classification and terminology are distinct concepts.

 

[DreX]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

Biology and Chemistry are also VERY closely related to Psychology - there's a ton of overlap with each field contributing greatly to each other. Psychology is a science. More so than it isn't a science.

Psychology doesn't overlap with biology and chemisty, rather biology wholly derives from chemistry, and psychology derives a few aspects from biology, but most of psychology is born from guesswork and the consensus of psychologists, to say, for example, that being gay is a "mental disorder", or that medication is appropriate remedy to sadness or hyperactivity, or as the article says, to define what "happiness" is, and who has more or less of it. The only reason being gay was deemed 'not a mental disorder' is because of a change in prevailing sentiment, not because of any scientific breakthrough or factual elucidation about what causes homosexuality. The difference between psychology and pseudopsychology depends on who you ask.

Also, how is something "somewhat objective"? Can you elaborate more on what that means?

Some of it is, some of it isn't.

EDIT: I just read the part of the article you quoted. Most of it just seemed to be opinionated rambling without any specific examples.

This is not point-counter point. Cite a specific quote you take issue with, and take issue with it.

 

[GuitarStv]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

Actually, Drex is completely right on the psychology thing. Psychology is a pseudoscience. It follows the scientific method but fails to be scientific in other important areas. One has already been pointed out . . . prevailing psychological theory is not based on reproducible evidence, and changes based on current political and social beliefs. Psychology also fails to honor the null hypothesis. Any idea can become clinical practice without scientific evidence supporting it.

Advances in neuroscience (actually understanding and measuring the chemical/electrical/biological responses of the brain) will inevitably wipe out the role of the psychologist the same way advances in medicine have largely wiped out shamans and witch doctors.

 

[GoldenVulture]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

Meanwhile in girl world ...

- http://www.guitaritupforgirls.com/ -

- http://www.guitargirlmag.com/news/l...f-punk-rock-band-drop-tank-releases-new-album -

 

[GuitarStv]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

I'd like to see more guitar advertisements with men sitting around in their underwear.

 

[GoldenVulture]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

I'd like to see more guitar advertisements with men sitting around in their underwear.

 

[formula73]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

Ask and ye shall receive...

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

Actually, Drex is completely right on the psychology thing. Psychology is a pseudoscience. It follows the scientific method but fails to be scientific in other important areas. One has already been pointed out . . . prevailing psychological theory is not based on reproducible evidence, and changes based on current political and social beliefs. Psychology also fails to honor the null hypothesis. Any idea can become clinical practice without scientific evidence supporting it.

Advances in neuroscience (actually understanding and measuring the chemical/electrical/biological responses of the brain) will inevitably wipe out the role of the psychologist the same way advances in medicine have largely wiped out shamans and witch doctors.

There are many other fields that share some of the same short comings. My ex was a chemist and microbiologist and we had some interesting conversations particularly as to the exact definition of a "drug" and even more in depth as to what a method of action a drug uses to cause it effects... Many of them are not understood. Something that i think gets completely missed when people try to slag psychology is that most fields dont have the amount of emergent data that psych has right now. Rewind the so called hard sciences back to when they were sorting through it all and the situation looks much like psych does now.

I remember when everyone was excited about the Higgs boson thing. I was also a bit disappointed to learn that its existence relies on statistics rather than direct observation.

The definition of "science" that you and Drex are using is a very narrow hard edged one that really few of them actually fit into.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

That's neuroscience, not "modern psychology".

Believe it or not they play together, a lot. Just admit you were wrong, you don't have to go around correcting everybody to make it look like you were "less wrong".

Besides, if you had read the line you quoted fully you would see how I said neurons have helped society achieve a better understanding of PSYCHOLOGY.

 

[GuitarStv]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

There are many other fields that share some of the same short comings. My ex was a chemist and microbiologist and we had some interesting conversations particularly as to the exact definition of a "drug" and even more in depth as to what a method of action a drug uses to cause it effects... Many of them are not understood. Something that i think gets completely missed when people try to slag psychology is that most fields dont have the amount of emergent data that psych has right now. Rewind the so called hard sciences back to when they were sorting through it all and the situation looks much like psych does now.

I remember when everyone was excited about the Higgs boson thing. I was also a bit disappointed to learn that its existence relies on statistics rather than direct observation.

The definition of "science" that you and Drex are using is a very narrow hard edged one that really few of them actually fit into.

In physics our understanding of the universe has changed over time due to observations. Our physics books have been updated based on these observations and reproducible experiments. In psychology the DSM IV has changed several times . . . but not due provable experimentation . . . due to popular opinion. That's a pretty damning fact right there. I wouldn't have faith in physics if we went from an Earth centered universe model to a Jupiter centered one because that was a popular public way to write the book.

Without a solid evidence based background it's irresponsible to be treating people. The truth is, for a lot of conditions right now psychologists don't know if they're doing more harm than good. There's no accepted definition of sane. How can you hope to treat a problem without knowing if/when the treatment has worked?

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

fftopic:

 

[voggin]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

The real question is, is it pronounced "Dree Ex" or "drecks"?

 

[ExplorersRock]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

In physics our understanding of the universe has changed over time due to observations. Our physics books have been updated based on these observations and reproducible experiments. In psychology the DSM IV has changed several times . . . but not due provable experimentation . . . due to popular opinion. That's a pretty damning fact right there. I wouldn't have faith in physics if we went from an Earth centered universe model to a Jupiter centered one because that was a popular public way to write the book.

Without a solid evidence based background it's irresponsible to be treating people. The truth is, for a lot of conditions right now psychologists don't know if they're doing more harm than good. There's no accepted definition of sane. How can you hope to treat a problem without knowing if/when the treatment has worked?

Hey Steve... If we are going to get technical about areas of study that fail at using the scientific method, you should know they every single science commits the logical fallacy known as "The Fallacy of Affirming the Consequent". So give the "educated and enlightened" attitude of yours, also known as "snooty" a bit of a rest, would you? There's no doubt you are intelligent and that you have a perspective to share, but splitting hairs on this type of stuff doesn't get any of us closer to answers that have value.

 

[GuitarStv]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

Can you give examples of affirming the consequent in physics?

 

[LLL]

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

Rule #1: Never use science to learn about women.

If you do, you'll either:

1) become a misanthropic computer hacker

2) live in mom's basement until you're 50

...or both.