Johnny the Kid
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
That's fine. Sara just told me thats why she thinks that.
That's fine. Sara just told me thats why she thinks that.
Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
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Aasinsilta
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
In regards to the comments about guitar mags featuring women posing with guitars, you can't really say that male guitar players aren't sexualized either. How many times do you hear about the debauchery Zeppelin, Van Halen, etc committed backstage? I don't buy that argument. It's not like people don't want to feel attractive, so if they saw that sexualization they would be more likely to bite. It's not like Victoria's Secret ads are very reserved, and I'm pretty sure their business is popular among the ladies.
In regards to the comments about guitar mags featuring women posing with guitars, you can't really say that male guitar players aren't sexualized either. How many times do you hear about the debauchery Zeppelin, Van Halen, etc committed backstage? I don't buy that argument. It's not like people don't want to feel attractive, so if they saw that sexualization they would be more likely to bite. It's not like Victoria's Secret ads are very reserved, and I'm pretty sure their business is popular among the ladies.
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Little Pigbacon
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Remember that a Vicky Secret catalogue is telling men and women different things. (Within the heteronormative context, I mean.) So too, the guitar mag:
Vic (to women): "You know you want to be her. We can sell you things that will get you incrementally closer."
Vic (to men): "You know want to be with her. Here, enjoy this catalogue; it's as close as you're ever going to get." "Dontcha wish your girlfriend was hot like me? Maybe if you buy her this $60 red lace padded underwire pushup bra, it will help her to move incrementally closer. And if that doesn't work, you could always trade up a notch, maybe a notch and a half. Because you deserve it."
Remember that a Vicky Secret catalogue is telling men and women different things. (Within the heteronormative context, I mean.) So too, the guitar mag:
Vic (to women): "You know you want to be her. We can sell you things that will get you incrementally closer."
Vic (to men): "You know want to be with her. Here, enjoy this catalogue; it's as close as you're ever going to get." "Dontcha wish your girlfriend was hot like me? Maybe if you buy her this $60 red lace padded underwire pushup bra, it will help her to move incrementally closer. And if that doesn't work, you could always trade up a notch, maybe a notch and a half. Because you deserve it."
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Funkfingers
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Jessie. I am intrigued. What is so special about you that you hear both of Vicky's voices?
Jessie. I am intrigued. What is so special about you that you hear both of Vicky's voices?
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Funkfingers
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Getting back on topic.
Plenty of women use guitar but, not necessarily in the stereotypical way.
The really smart female "guitarists" play bass. For anyone who relates to danceable music, da bass is the fundamental instrument - in every sense of the word.
No Treble.
For once, it is appropriate to look lower down.
Getting back on topic.
Plenty of women use guitar but, not necessarily in the stereotypical way.
The really smart female "guitarists" play bass. For anyone who relates to danceable music, da bass is the fundamental instrument - in every sense of the word.
No Treble.
For once, it is appropriate to look lower down.
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Little Pigbacon
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Guitar mag (to men): "You know you want to be him. We can sell you stuff that will get you incrementally closer." "See also: All that Victoria's Secret stuff from earlier, if it's a Buying Guide issue."
Guitar mag (to women): I'm not really sure.
Guitar mag (to men): "You know you want to be him. We can sell you stuff that will get you incrementally closer." "See also: All that Victoria's Secret stuff from earlier, if it's a Buying Guide issue."
Guitar mag (to women): I'm not really sure.
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Funkfingers
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I have never wanted to be other people. I just wanted to assimilate their most useful abilities. (Kinda like The Borg from Star Trek.) If I obsess about the gear lists of others, it is to avoid duplicating what has already been done.
I have never wanted to be other people. I just wanted to assimilate their most useful abilities. (Kinda like The Borg from Star Trek.) If I obsess about the gear lists of others, it is to avoid duplicating what has already been done.
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Little Pigbacon
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Well, advertising has been known to pander to those with a shaky sense of the self.
Well, advertising has been known to pander to those with a shaky sense of the self.
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Funkfingers
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
So, some ad agency needs to pitch images of a globally popular feminine role model in assorted guitar pickin' scenarios?
Barbie and Hello Kitty have both tried and not succeeded. How about Jennifer Aniston? Better yet, Dora The Explorer?
So, some ad agency needs to pitch images of a globally popular feminine role model in assorted guitar pickin' scenarios?
Barbie and Hello Kitty have both tried and not succeeded. How about Jennifer Aniston? Better yet, Dora The Explorer?
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Little Pigbacon
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What about Swifty?
What about Swifty?
Snake Aces
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I like turtles!
I like turtles!
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Funkfingers
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Big Swifty?
What about Peej?
Big Swifty?
What about Peej?
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Little Pigbacon
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I'm being serious, Chuckulese. And I'm also asking the question, "For women and girls who play guitar (or played), who/what got them started? To what extent is the gender of the role model a factor?"
I'm being serious, Chuckulese. And I'm also asking the question, "For women and girls who play guitar (or played), who/what got them started? To what extent is the gender of the role model a factor?"
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Funkfingers
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Could be rather like your experiences of school Phys Ed. What you might have wanted to do versus what the local societal norms would allow. Some societies would put bullets through a girl for demanding access to education.
Could be rather like your experiences of school Phys Ed. What you might have wanted to do versus what the local societal norms would allow. Some societies would put bullets through a girl for demanding access to education.
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Little Pigbacon
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How valid is the notion that girls need female guitarist role models to look up to? What does that do for her? Does it show her that playing guitar is something women can do? Does that undermine the gendered stereotype or reinforce it -- the apparent idea that there's such a thing as a gender-appropriate activity or a gender-inappropriate one.
Can you imagine:
"I'm so glad that Taylor Swift came along and showed little girls that it's okay to play guitar."
"You mean some of them thought that it wasn't?"
How valid is the notion that girls need female guitarist role models to look up to? What does that do for her? Does it show her that playing guitar is something women can do? Does that undermine the gendered stereotype or reinforce it -- the apparent idea that there's such a thing as a gender-appropriate activity or a gender-inappropriate one.
Can you imagine:
"I'm so glad that Taylor Swift came along and showed little girls that it's okay to play guitar."
"You mean some of them thought that it wasn't?"
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
PJ Harvey? That's a good one.
Liz Phair, too.
Allison Robertson
Corin Tucker and Carrie Brownstein
more
PJ Harvey? That's a good one.
Liz Phair, too.
Allison Robertson
Corin Tucker and Carrie Brownstein
more
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Funkfingers
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Masculinity and femininity are social constructs. Experiments repeatedly show no evidence whatsoever of innate biological predisposition or preference. Indeed, in some societies, an activity may be deemed masculine whilst, in others, it is deemed feminine.
Then, comes the degree of social control. Some societies forbid proscribed activities. Others do things to citizens to make the proscribed activities physically impossible.
Masculinity and femininity are social constructs. Experiments repeatedly show no evidence whatsoever of innate biological predisposition or preference. Indeed, in some societies, an activity may be deemed masculine whilst, in others, it is deemed feminine.
Then, comes the degree of social control. Some societies forbid proscribed activities. Others do things to citizens to make the proscribed activities physically impossible.
Chocklit_Thunda
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
My sister is a drummer and plays the bass... She's also a classically trained ballerina and trained in modern, tap and Jazz dancing.... It all just depends on the girl...
My sister is a drummer and plays the bass... She's also a classically trained ballerina and trained in modern, tap and Jazz dancing.... It all just depends on the girl...
treyhaislip
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I agree with this–at one time in America a professional woman was unheard of, she was either to marry and have kids or be a teacher, nurse, or librarian. Girls raised on the farm were mocked as Tomboys and so forth.
I agree with this–at one time in America a professional woman was unheard of, she was either to marry and have kids or be a teacher, nurse, or librarian. Girls raised on the farm were mocked as Tomboys and so forth.
Lake Placid Blues
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Being moms, nurses, and teachers are the things most females are interested in. Most really don't care much about cars or electric guitars, like males do. That's just the way it is.
Being moms, nurses, and teachers are the things most females are interested in. Most really don't care much about cars or electric guitars, like males do. That's just the way it is.
