Progbusters
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Yasashii... They're all in Japan.
Yasashii... They're all in Japan.
Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
- Thread starter Evan Skopp
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DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
The first question that came to my mind from reading the initial post is : Is this a legitimate issue? It may be that it is presented from a Marketing seminar, but the question smacks of "how can we expand our market" rather than a genuine concern for the issue itself.
It is the nature of simple-minded males to dissuade women from participating in electric guitar, because simple-minded males view everything as a competition. As such, others who share the same interests (i.e. guitar) are perceived as a competitor, regardless of gender. They fear the female may surpass them in skill, and the associated mockery of "dude, you got beat by a girl" of their peers.
Those few who do accept females in such a role make it a point to cite gender as an issue. Yngwie's gender was never a subject of discussion, nor was Clapton's or Page's, yet when a female is mentioned, she is referenced as "...among female guitar players...", rather than "...among guitar players...".
I disagree with special incentives (signing bonuses, freebies, etc) to entice anyone of any gender into any market.
The first question that came to my mind from reading the initial post is : Is this a legitimate issue? It may be that it is presented from a Marketing seminar, but the question smacks of "how can we expand our market" rather than a genuine concern for the issue itself.
It is the nature of simple-minded males to dissuade women from participating in electric guitar, because simple-minded males view everything as a competition. As such, others who share the same interests (i.e. guitar) are perceived as a competitor, regardless of gender. They fear the female may surpass them in skill, and the associated mockery of "dude, you got beat by a girl" of their peers.
Those few who do accept females in such a role make it a point to cite gender as an issue. Yngwie's gender was never a subject of discussion, nor was Clapton's or Page's, yet when a female is mentioned, she is referenced as "...among female guitar players...", rather than "...among guitar players...".
I disagree with special incentives (signing bonuses, freebies, etc) to entice anyone of any gender into any market.
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Can't it be both?
Can't it be both?
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Another disturbing issue is that female guitarists are praised beyond their deserving, and the focus always turns to their outward appearance. See the video posted above "Hottest female guitarists". Emphasis is placed on their appearance, and the playing is generic at best. The same performances delivered by an average male player would be met with the typical "how many guitarists does it take to change a light bulb" comments, because the playing is not inspiring nor inspired.
Another disturbing issue is that female guitarists are praised beyond their deserving, and the focus always turns to their outward appearance. See the video posted above "Hottest female guitarists". Emphasis is placed on their appearance, and the playing is generic at best. The same performances delivered by an average male player would be met with the typical "how many guitarists does it take to change a light bulb" comments, because the playing is not inspiring nor inspired.
King IzzO)))
Ultimate Kitten Puncher
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
What about female drummers? And bassists? In the same band??? No wai???
I love these guys. That's the Verellen amps dude, BTW.
What about female drummers? And bassists? In the same band??? No wai???
I love these guys. That's the Verellen amps dude, BTW.
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
No. Financial concerns can never be tied to concerns for the arts. The two work against each other. The Money Masters see a product, the artist sees exploitation.
No. Financial concerns can never be tied to concerns for the arts. The two work against each other. The Money Masters see a product, the artist sees exploitation.
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Funkfingers
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Really?
The first question that came to me was, what is this thread doing in The Guitar Shop rather than Off-Topic?
The one clear "advantage" is that the thread is accessible to all comers, registered or not. The question that you need to ask yourself is, to whom is all of this visibility advantageous?
Really?
The first question that came to me was, what is this thread doing in The Guitar Shop rather than Off-Topic?
The one clear "advantage" is that the thread is accessible to all comers, registered or not. The question that you need to ask yourself is, to whom is all of this visibility advantageous?
GilmourD
Burritotoneologist
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
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Well, Evan started the thread, and he can do whatever he wants. [emoji41]
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Texas Slim
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
My post was intended as sarcasm, actually.
Like others have stated, regardless of their talent, the majority of comments on female guitar players tend toward their physical attributes more than their talent, or lack thereof.
There may well be many more women who play a guitar, and do it very well. The odds of their also joining a sausage-fest forum to talk about it? Highly unlikely.
My post was intended as sarcasm, actually.
Like others have stated, regardless of their talent, the majority of comments on female guitar players tend toward their physical attributes more than their talent, or lack thereof.
There may well be many more women who play a guitar, and do it very well. The odds of their also joining a sausage-fest forum to talk about it? Highly unlikely.
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Not just parents, though.
I've done my best to teach my 7 year old nephew (who's lived with me a while), and his mother has, that things are not gendered. He had a barbie doll a year or so ago because he asked for one, etc. But since going to school, he occasionally says something that shows me that it's not just the parents who count... but the teachers, the students, his friends. Not to mention TV advertising, shows, films, etc.
Not just parents, though.
I've done my best to teach my 7 year old nephew (who's lived with me a while), and his mother has, that things are not gendered. He had a barbie doll a year or so ago because he asked for one, etc. But since going to school, he occasionally says something that shows me that it's not just the parents who count... but the teachers, the students, his friends. Not to mention TV advertising, shows, films, etc.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
It's a gift to be able to see the worst in everything.
It's a gift to be able to see the worst in everything.
voggin
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
You know,we've disagreed in the past, but that is the most awesome post ever. Thanks so much!
You know,we've disagreed in the past, but that is the most awesome post ever. Thanks so much!
GilmourD
Burritotoneologist
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
I say it should be equal... Cuz Jeebus only knows that most of us guys are wankers anyway.
Ideally even the guys would all be quality, too, but that's not going to happen. LOL
I think the first step is to stop perpetrating the idea that anything is only for boys or only for girls.
I say it should be equal... Cuz Jeebus only knows that most of us guys are wankers anyway.
Ideally even the guys would all be quality, too, but that's not going to happen. LOL
I think the first step is to stop perpetrating the idea that anything is only for boys or only for girls.
beaubrummels
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
It's because they are not treated well. Women, really anyone for that matter, respond to how they are treated. If they were respected as equals, rewarded as equals, then there would be an equal number. But also, consider the disparity demographic is also localized. For example, in the Japan pop music market there are plenty of female guitar, bass and drum players who kick ass and are well regarded.
It's because they are not treated well. Women, really anyone for that matter, respond to how they are treated. If they were respected as equals, rewarded as equals, then there would be an equal number. But also, consider the disparity demographic is also localized. For example, in the Japan pop music market there are plenty of female guitar, bass and drum players who kick ass and are well regarded.
LLL
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Oh, I see how it is. Nobody digs my suggestion there. ^
What's wrong with guys singing super-high notes that women can hit? Are you sayin' guys shouldn't be allowed to do that?
Sexist, I tells ya. :naughty:
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Oh yeah, and for the record, my wife plays piano and harp. Why? Because that's what she digs, ya dig?
It's a big mistake trying to force that which is natural into that which is unnatural; let people do what they want to do.
Oh, I see how it is. Nobody digs my suggestion there. ^
What's wrong with guys singing super-high notes that women can hit? Are you sayin' guys shouldn't be allowed to do that?
Sexist, I tells ya. :naughty:
...
Oh yeah, and for the record, my wife plays piano and harp. Why? Because that's what she digs, ya dig?
It's a big mistake trying to force that which is natural into that which is unnatural; let people do what they want to do.
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Funkfingers
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Following from the sausage fest premise. Women are unlikely to bother joining in a pissing contest UNLESS it is hands free.
Some of what goes is blatantly unfair. This situation is not unique to Rock and Pop music. The classical world is no better. Plenty of trained, competent, experienced ladies, bowing away in the String section. Only the cute-looking ones get a shot at a career as a featured soloist - performing with major orchestras around the world and being given equal billing with the composer(s).
Honourable exceptions to this generalisation include Evelyn Glennie. Not so much a musician/composer as a force of nature.
Following from the sausage fest premise. Women are unlikely to bother joining in a pissing contest UNLESS it is hands free.
Some of what goes is blatantly unfair. This situation is not unique to Rock and Pop music. The classical world is no better. Plenty of trained, competent, experienced ladies, bowing away in the String section. Only the cute-looking ones get a shot at a career as a featured soloist - performing with major orchestras around the world and being given equal billing with the composer(s).
Honourable exceptions to this generalisation include Evelyn Glennie. Not so much a musician/composer as a force of nature.
DreX
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
We're asking "is the Marketing Association primarily concerned with diversity or marketing?", lol. This is just one of those many cases where the profit motive will accidentally benefit society, but if they could patent a guitar accessory that made the guitar more appealing to women, they surely would.
We're asking "is the Marketing Association primarily concerned with diversity or marketing?", lol. This is just one of those many cases where the profit motive will accidentally benefit society, but if they could patent a guitar accessory that made the guitar more appealing to women, they surely would.
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Funkfingers
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Diversity or marketing? Other than in increased production overheads, where is the contradiction?
Diversity or marketing? Other than in increased production overheads, where is the contradiction?
DreX
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Because you have to ask yourself, "would they be prompting the question if there were no money in it for them?"
It also presumes that it's appropriate to pressure the other gender into an activity they seem to willfully avoid, and again, did they jump to that conclusion for altruistic reasons, or for greedy reasons? If you back it up and decide that the answer is "no", then the contradiction becomes plain as day.
Because you have to ask yourself, "would they be prompting the question if there were no money in it for them?"
It also presumes that it's appropriate to pressure the other gender into an activity they seem to willfully avoid, and again, did they jump to that conclusion for altruistic reasons, or for greedy reasons? If you back it up and decide that the answer is "no", then the contradiction becomes plain as day.
