Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

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Do they avoid it out of personal choice or out of societal pressure? You know, I choose to carry a giant, awkward laptop bag for the stuff I like to have with me every day, even though an actual purse would suit the need better. Betcha can't guess why. Women avoiding guitar is only cool if there are no external barriers to it, real or imagined.
 
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I give up dude, you win. The thread and floor is all yours. I respectfully digress.

Why do you get pissed off man? Why don't you admit that Silver is correct?

It is definitely society issue. If it's interest thing, then you have no problem if your boy wants to wear pink socks to school cause he likes pink.
 
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I dig it. Thanks for the link. I love these girls:



Fender should make signature series for Emily and Theresa ... and mmm, equipped with Duncans maybe? :scratchch

It's because they are not treated well. Women, really anyone for that matter, respond to how they are treated. If they were respected as equals, rewarded as equals, then there would be an equal number.

I guess this applies to GAMA too ... they've got s**t: less sale from women.

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Why do you get pissed off man? Why don't you admit that Silver is correct?

It is definitely society issue. If it's interest thing, then you have no problem if your boy wants to wear pink socks to school cause he likes pink.

Wasn't pissed, if you had read Sliver's ridiculous statements you would easily be able to read into my sarcasm in that post.

If I had a boy he could wear whatever he wanted to, wherever he wanted to, whenever he wanted to.

No, you and Sliver are both incorrect in my opinion. Interest has a lot to do with it in my opinion. See, that's the thing people like you fail to understand in discussions such as this one. It's a bunch of keyboard philosophers spewing out their opinions.
 
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During NAMM last month, this topic came up at the annual Guitar and Accessories Marketing Association meeting.

This is from today's GAMA newsletter.



At the GAMA meeting, there were lots of theories for the disparity. I wonder, what's yours?

Maybe you should've asked your boss at Seymour Duncan to endorse and feature more female guitar players who play any music except rock/ metal, instead of the familiar faces who convey aggressiveness like Slash, Dave Mundane, or Dimebag.

It is strange that after 30 ****ing years, you who are notably an industry insider, finally realized how you have left out females in your marketing strategy.
 
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First of all, I do not think you are allowed to use language like that. Secondly, it sounds like you have some insecurity issues. I don't think the SDUGF is the place to seek help for that.
 
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Maybe you should've asked your boss at Seymour Duncan to endorse and feature more female guitar players who play any music except rock/ metal, instead of the familiar faces who convey aggressiveness like Slash, Dave Mundane, or Dimebag.

It is strange that after 30 ****ing years, you who are notably an industry insider, finally realized how you have left out females in your marketing strategy.

Seriously, everybody bow down, God has graced us with his presence today!
 
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The first question that came to my mind from reading the initial post is : Is this a legitimate issue? It may be that it is presented from a Marketing seminar, but the question smacks of "how can we expand our market" rather than a genuine concern for the issue itself.

Perhaps it would behoove us to learn a bit more about GAMA. Yes, it's true that GAMA is a trade association made up of manufacturers and distributors of guitars and guitar accessories. And yes, we all want our companies to be successful in the marketplace. And yes, as individual participants in this organization, we generally all want gainful employment in an industry that, for most of us, is closely aligned with our love of music in general and guitar specifically.

GAMA's main activity is to support music education; specifically getting guitar integrated into school music programs. We are part of a task force that also includes NAMM and the association of school music teachers. Our main initiative is to train school music teachers--band, orchestra, choir and general music--to start guitar programs in schools. We also support another program called Guitars in the Classroom that uses guitar to teach general curriculum.

We know that kids who study and play music do better in school and in life. This is well documented. We believe that by getting kids exposed to playing guitar at a young age, specifically while in school, we can create lifelong guitar players who will have a fun hobby and outlet for creative expression and collaboration--and for a few, a rewarding vocation (and yes, create more guitar product consumers). I'm very proud of my involvement with GAMA, which goes back well over 20 years.

At our general membership meeting last month, we had a panel discussion with heavy hitter GAMA members like Bob Taylor, Jim D'Addario and others, to discuss various topics about growing the guitar market--which is suffering at the moment. And it didn't take long to come to the subject of why there aren't more females. In that meeting, just like in this thread, there were lots of ideas tossed back and forth, and spirited discussion.

So yes, while GAMA is a trade association dedicated to bringing together and growing the guitar community by promoting greater access to learning and playing guitar, I don't think that makes our focus on creating more female players any less genuine.

My decision to post this thread in a public forum was deliberate. This is an important topic and I wanted it to be visible beyond SDUGF members to the public in general, and also to GAMA members who will be reading this thread next week when it will be promoted in the GAMA newsletter.

I want to close by saying this is really a fantastic discussion and I want to thank everyone who has participated in this thread so far. I know we've had our issues on this forum in the last year, but the fact that we can all come together for impassioned, yet 100% respectful discourse on an important topic like this, gives me hope that this forum will continue for a long, long time.
 
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First of all, I do not think you are allowed to use language like that. Secondly, it sounds like you have some insecurity issues. I don't think the SDUGF is the place to seek help for that.

The only one with insecurity issue is you. Which is why you (sarcastically) called Silver a winner and the dance floor is his, instead of admitting he is correct.

And no I don't believe you would let your boy play with Barbie or wear pink socks to school.
 
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The only one with insecurity issue is you. Which is why you (sarcastically) called Silver a winner and the dance floor is his, instead of admitting he is correct.

And no I don't believe you would let your boy play with Barbie or wear pink socks to school.

You don't even know me man. Chill out. I would definitely let my hypothetical boy play with any kind of toy or wear whatever he wanted to.

I seriously doubt I have any insecurity issues, I used to rock this as my main axe:
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You don't even know me man. Chill out. I would definitely let my hypothetical boy play with any kind of toy or wear whatever he wanted to.

I seriously doubt I have any insecurity issues, I used to rock this as my main axe:
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Exactly. We don't know each other. That's why you don't call people 'insecure' just by 3 posts on the SDUGF. Otherwise you would backpedal your way out of the shame.
 
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Exactly. We don't know each other. That's why you don't call people 'insecure' just by 3 posts on the SDUGF. Otherwise you would backpedal your way out of the shame.

Whatever dude, you are the one who expressed concerns about not wanting to wear pink based on what people would think/say about you. I just made an observation based on that post. You made your statement without anything to back it up. Can we please get back on topic here now?
 
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Think outside the box, guys. Wear pink, purple or whatever colour combinations you wish. Deliberately leave bigots guessing about your orientation. It will probably pop their tiny little minds.
 
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I don't know, the whole thing could be flipped around, and interpreted as a textbook case of misogyny. Someone could say "Great, a bunch of (mainly) guys sitting around, talking about what THEY can do to get more females interested in playing guitar."

My default position is to agree, "enough with the social engineering". Not every demographic manifestation needs to be fixed with a program. But my advice would be to take the personal responsibility route. You want more women to play guitar? Then hire them. Buy their albums. Go to their shows. Instead, often we see women guitarists in catalogs or otherwise supported by the industry because they are women, thus further objectifying the female form. The MEN in this industry are the ones looking all googly-eyed at the women guitarists. The MEN are the ones standing to the side, judging whether she plays as well as "a guy" (as if that's a thing).

But you know what? I've seen it the other way around, too. First-hand I've seen women in the industry act like they need to have a "woman's thing" either at NAMM or some meeting somewhere. To me that just adds to the dysfunction. I'm not sure taking the "girl power" route is the answer either. It just sets up more of the "us vs them" rhetoric, another subset of misogyny if we're being honest.

Imagine you're a girl (insert sarcasm here) and most of the guys in the audience are either judging you or giving you the perv eyes. I feel bad for a woman who just wants to express herself musically but instead has to endure the condescension, the "oh aren't you cute" nonsense, and have you seen some of the YouTube comments?! How many of them are about how there's a boob hanging over the guitar?! It's reprehensible. Man, I've heard marketing guys in our business talk about how their ad campaign has to include the feeling that you'll "get the girl" or that guys pick up and play the guitar to "get" chicks. Then you wonder why more girls don't join your club?!

Instead of talking about it, be the change. Be men who step up and treat women with respect. Quit talking about how "hot" they are, and how they're pretty good, "for a girl"
 
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- We know that kids who study and play music do better in school and in life. This is well documented. We believe that by getting kids exposed to playing guitar at a young age, specifically while in school, we can create lifelong guitar players who will have a fun hobby and outlet for creative expression and collaboration--and for a few, a rewarding vocation (and yes, create more guitar product consumers). I'm very proud of my involvement with GAMA, which goes back well over 20 years...So yes, while GAMA is a trade association dedicated to bringing together and growing the guitar community by promoting greater access to learning and playing guitar, I don't think that makes our focus on creating more female players any less genuine.


- the fact that we can all come together for impassioned, yet 100% respectful discourse on an important topic like this


- +1. So many males express themselves musically, women should too. Men don't have a lock on creativity.

- Perhaps a bit under 100%. A few of the boys seem to have a problem doing this.
 
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I know we've had our issues on this forum in the last year, but the fact that we can all come together for impassioned, yet 100% respectful discourse on an important topic like this, gives me hope that this forum will continue for a long, long time.

Perhaps a bit under 100%. A few of the boys seem to have a problem doing this.

Yeah. It was going so well until I wrote that. My bad. Let's try to get it back on track.
 
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At our general membership meeting last month, we had a panel discussion with heavy hitter GAMA members like Bob Taylor, Jim D'Addario and others, to discuss various topics about growing the guitar market--which is suffering at the moment. And it didn't take long to come to the subject of why there aren't more females. In that meeting, just like in this thread, there were lots of ideas tossed back and forth, and spirited discussion.

You'll have to pardon my taken-abackedness. All due respect, this ain't ****ing rocket science here:

You don't need a panel of industry experts to figure out that the reason the guitar market is suffering is not because females generally don't prefer to play guitar, but that the economy has been in the sh*tter for years. Add to that the garbarge the music industry has been pumping out and it's a wonder guitars are around at all.

But it ain't because of women...

Yeah, a sort of Cpt.Obvious statement, but still keeps focus.

It's simple economics:

When people have no $$$ to spend (for various reasons), then products do not get bought.

In order for the business to pick up, the people need to have $$$ in their hands to spend.

This isn't a sociology quiz; the economy sucks. I'd worry about expanding things once (hopefully)
the economy turns around, not before.
 
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- Perhaps a bit under 100%. A few of the boys seem to have a problem doing this.

Alright, let's try to keep this civil.

Firstly, Richard - you don't know what you're talking about. That "bit under 100%" includes you as much as it includes anyone else. Have you forgotten about the "conformist metal players in black T-shirts", the Fender players, those who subscribe to the compensated claw, and heaven forbid the folks who use different potentiometers than you?

All of those groups have been demonized and lambasted by you as you espouse negativity from your podium high-above your ivory tower.

Please, Richard. Stop scapegoating and get with the program instead of fanning the flames of other members that you have a personal vendetta against.

You don't know them. You only know that you disagree with what they appreciate.
 
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I don't believe you would let your boy play with Barbie or wear pink socks to school.

I would let my son wear pink socks and play with a barbie. His commanding officer and some of the other Marines might have issue with it.

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