King IzzO)))
Ultimate Kitten Puncher
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Never heard them before, I'm checking this out later.
Never heard them before, I'm checking this out later.
Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
- Thread starter Evan Skopp
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King IzzO)))
Ultimate Kitten Puncher
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Some of you need to stop trying to make this about you.
I thought verbo was banned fo life?
Some of you need to stop trying to make this about you.
I thought verbo was banned fo life?
GilmourD
Burritotoneologist
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Actually, I would. He has a big pink doll house. He has Peppa Pig toys. He watches Doc McStuffins. I'd let him wear pink stuff if he wanted.
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Actually, I would. He has a big pink doll house. He has Peppa Pig toys. He watches Doc McStuffins. I'd let him wear pink stuff if he wanted.
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LesStrat
Reining PunLowered
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
The older brother of the current Forum Pet:?:
LesStrat
Reining PunLowered
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
This entire topic is a waste of time. If they want to play guitar, they will.
Creating some false quota to make yourself feel better does nothing to promote equality. Instead, it promotes the notion that they are incapable of making without your specially designed consideration that accommodates YOUR perceived deficits in them.
Silver, you are dead wrong about appearance. Ugly men have very little chance of being signed these days as well. It's not gender specific. It's the result of the MTV video society. It's not enough to sound good. You must LOOK good.
I play with a female drummer twice per month. She plays with us because she is good.
This entire topic is a waste of time. If they want to play guitar, they will.
Creating some false quota to make yourself feel better does nothing to promote equality. Instead, it promotes the notion that they are incapable of making without your specially designed consideration that accommodates YOUR perceived deficits in them.
Silver, you are dead wrong about appearance. Ugly men have very little chance of being signed these days as well. It's not gender specific. It's the result of the MTV video society. It's not enough to sound good. You must LOOK good.
I play with a female drummer twice per month. She plays with us because she is good.
LesStrat
Reining PunLowered
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Final comment on this nonsense: many of the forum members who get accused of misogyny by the projecting, vicariously offended crowd cite one pickup builder as one of the all time best and THE go to person with requests and information about tone. Never have I seen those same members discuss the gender of the pickup builder as anything other than an identifying, objective characteristic. Never have I seen these members question the advice given from this winder.
This tone genius is the beloved and highly regarded and respected Maricella Juarez, affectionately known as MJ.
No one cares that MJ happens to be female. We all care that she is a GENIUS at matching the tone in our heads with a specific pickup design.
I have seen NO ONE say "she winds pretty well for a girl."
Final comment on this nonsense: many of the forum members who get accused of misogyny by the projecting, vicariously offended crowd cite one pickup builder as one of the all time best and THE go to person with requests and information about tone. Never have I seen those same members discuss the gender of the pickup builder as anything other than an identifying, objective characteristic. Never have I seen these members question the advice given from this winder.
This tone genius is the beloved and highly regarded and respected Maricella Juarez, affectionately known as MJ.
No one cares that MJ happens to be female. We all care that she is a GENIUS at matching the tone in our heads with a specific pickup design.
I have seen NO ONE say "she winds pretty well for a girl."
Evan Skopp
SDUGF Founder
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Fine, I'll give you that. The question I'm asking is why don't they (in significant numbers)?
Fine, I'll give you that. The question I'm asking is why don't they (in significant numbers)?
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
My guess is, because for the most part the music industry is a filthy cesspool. I mean that in the kindest regards. Most clubs are filthy, the dressing rooms are heinous. Promoters are sleezebags, most likely even sleazier to women. When you think about jam spaces and practice rooms they are just as disgusting. That is just on that local level. When you start to tour you eat bad food, stay in dive hotels and play even more filthy clubs. Laundry can be an issue at time so wearing the same clothes for days straight is the norm. Add to that 90% of the people you encounter are blasted on drugs alcohol or both. As Bon said “it’s a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll” and it is not pretty. I don’t think most women find all that mess to be attractive.
My guess is, because for the most part the music industry is a filthy cesspool. I mean that in the kindest regards. Most clubs are filthy, the dressing rooms are heinous. Promoters are sleezebags, most likely even sleazier to women. When you think about jam spaces and practice rooms they are just as disgusting. That is just on that local level. When you start to tour you eat bad food, stay in dive hotels and play even more filthy clubs. Laundry can be an issue at time so wearing the same clothes for days straight is the norm. Add to that 90% of the people you encounter are blasted on drugs alcohol or both. As Bon said “it’s a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll” and it is not pretty. I don’t think most women find all that mess to be attractive.
GilmourD
Burritotoneologist
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
We need to keep our kids free of that BS right from the beginning.
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As I said before, they're told it's a boy thing right from the beginning. There are kids in my son's pre-school that are already preaching that and then I meet their parents and find out where it's from.
We need to keep our kids free of that BS right from the beginning.
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blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Evan was referring to this thread, as was I. Thanks for not sidetracking things again, as Evan just requested.
Evan was referring to this thread, as was I. Thanks for not sidetracking things again, as Evan just requested.
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Look at any guitar magazine. Or the local salesman at the big box music retailer. Or the list of artists on a manufacturers website. Or the way many guys act on music forums. No wonder they stay away.
Look at any guitar magazine. Or the local salesman at the big box music retailer. Or the list of artists on a manufacturers website. Or the way many guys act on music forums. No wonder they stay away.
kilphody
Upstate Highlander
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
In the 16+ months I've had my shop there has only one female customer. She needed a new input jack on a Fender Hot rod Deluxe.
She came back to pick it up with a 62' Strat in tow. Rocked my doors off. Told me she writes all her own stuff.
They're out there, only few and far between.
PC
In the 16+ months I've had my shop there has only one female customer. She needed a new input jack on a Fender Hot rod Deluxe.
She came back to pick it up with a 62' Strat in tow. Rocked my doors off. Told me she writes all her own stuff.
They're out there, only few and far between.
PC
DarkMatter
Unprofessional Toneologist
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
This.
Are there social conditions keeping them out ? Probably
Is there historical precedent hindering them? Probably
Is that changing? Yes, slowly.
What about biology? In my experience, women are less passionate about the creation of music. Sure, they love to hear it, sing along, dance, whatever. But on average, they are not as interested in composition. Perhaps in the beginning, songs were part of courtship. And all throughout nature, most courtship involves the male persuing the female.
Also, I don't think that we will ever reach a point where men do not make judgements on the appearance of women. That just won't happen.
This.
Are there social conditions keeping them out ? Probably
Is there historical precedent hindering them? Probably
Is that changing? Yes, slowly.
What about biology? In my experience, women are less passionate about the creation of music. Sure, they love to hear it, sing along, dance, whatever. But on average, they are not as interested in composition. Perhaps in the beginning, songs were part of courtship. And all throughout nature, most courtship involves the male persuing the female.
Also, I don't think that we will ever reach a point where men do not make judgements on the appearance of women. That just won't happen.
LesStrat
Reining PunLowered
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
I live in a fairly conservative community, and even here no teacher is telling students such nonsense.
I call :bsflag:
I live in a fairly conservative community, and even here no teacher is telling students such nonsense.
DreX
New member
Evan Skopp
SDUGF Founder
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
That's all true.
But look at the world of sports. It used to be the same--pretty much all male. But not anymore. Women are big in school sports and pro sports, especially soccer, basketball, volleyball, softball, golf, tennis, etc. Of course, they had a little help from the United States Government 40+ years ago with Title IX.
Is Title IX "social engineering?" Perhaps in the '60s and '70s, folks were saying, "If women wanted to play sports, then by all means, they will." But they didn't until Title IX kicked in. Now I don't know what an analogous program for guitar would look like or even if such a thing is possible--so please keep this in mind before flaming me for suggesting something I didn't suggest.
But I'm asking you to consider this. If Title IX got girls and women to participate in sports to a much higher degree than when they were left to their own devices dictated by societal norms and expectations--is it unreasonable to suggest that similar programs could be created and adopted that would encourage more females to play guitar?
Read the OP. The tech industry is dealing with the same issues and is putting money behind it. Is music-making any different?
That's all true.
But look at the world of sports. It used to be the same--pretty much all male. But not anymore. Women are big in school sports and pro sports, especially soccer, basketball, volleyball, softball, golf, tennis, etc. Of course, they had a little help from the United States Government 40+ years ago with Title IX.
Is Title IX "social engineering?" Perhaps in the '60s and '70s, folks were saying, "If women wanted to play sports, then by all means, they will." But they didn't until Title IX kicked in. Now I don't know what an analogous program for guitar would look like or even if such a thing is possible--so please keep this in mind before flaming me for suggesting something I didn't suggest.
But I'm asking you to consider this. If Title IX got girls and women to participate in sports to a much higher degree than when they were left to their own devices dictated by societal norms and expectations--is it unreasonable to suggest that similar programs could be created and adopted that would encourage more females to play guitar?
Read the OP. The tech industry is dealing with the same issues and is putting money behind it. Is music-making any different?
King IzzO)))
Ultimate Kitten Puncher
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
Softball FTMFW!!!
Softball FTMFW!!!
Aasinsilta
New member
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
There are plenty of women playing music, look at the Grammys this year for example. They just don't seem to want to play electric guitar, and they use rock music as flavor to their songs or albums rather than as their mainstay. You could blame them just as much as you blame Guitar World for selling their gear catalogs with models. No one is going to listen to Adele and pick up a guitar to start shredding, just like no one will become Adele listening to Led Zeppelin. If more women wanted to play guitar, I'm all for it. They'd have to want it though, not "want" it like people want the newest Samsung TV or iPhone. The music industry is unique in that regard, and it could be a very big mistake to try to change it.
I thought we're supposed to avoid political discussions on here? Title XI is a very shaky piece of legislature, and it's the exact type of thing rock n roll doesn't need. It means well but reeks of Big Brother. Creating a machine to try to equalize things would be a massive step back from the free rolling music landscape created by rock, where anyone can try to make it. Imagine if record companies had to have equal representation among signed acts, 50% men and 50% women? How would SD work if you guys had to add women to equal the amount of men you endorse? That's true equality, if you dip over on one side or the other then you're skewed to favor that side. We could go on for days about what groups are over or under represented, but simple numbers won't make the world any better. I know a few female players, do I support them? Of course I do. Do I go around encouraging everyone to start playing? Not unless they ask. I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, and I'd hope SD would be cool enough to avoid becoming like that. The world is also different that 40 years ago, I'm sure the tumblristas would make up their own mind on if they want to play guitar. And they'll be better for deciding it on their own rather than it being crammed down their throats as cool.
There are plenty of women playing music, look at the Grammys this year for example. They just don't seem to want to play electric guitar, and they use rock music as flavor to their songs or albums rather than as their mainstay. You could blame them just as much as you blame Guitar World for selling their gear catalogs with models. No one is going to listen to Adele and pick up a guitar to start shredding, just like no one will become Adele listening to Led Zeppelin. If more women wanted to play guitar, I'm all for it. They'd have to want it though, not "want" it like people want the newest Samsung TV or iPhone. The music industry is unique in that regard, and it could be a very big mistake to try to change it.
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
But in sports, magazines, manufacturers and stores regularly feature/court the best female athletes. It isn't that way with electric guitar. The guitar industry, has, for years, sold dreams aimed at the inner teenage male. Years later, we wonder why there are no girls. Look at the average rock video in the 80's. Well, those teens are parents now. Reap what ya sow, I guess.
But in sports, magazines, manufacturers and stores regularly feature/court the best female athletes. It isn't that way with electric guitar. The guitar industry, has, for years, sold dreams aimed at the inner teenage male. Years later, we wonder why there are no girls. Look at the average rock video in the 80's. Well, those teens are parents now. Reap what ya sow, I guess.
LLL
New member
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?
I seriously doubt women who want to play guitar refuse to play guitar because of scantily-clad gear babes on the covers of magazines, or because they overheard some fingertapping dude at the guitar store talk about "hewmungus bewbs" with the salesman.
There's another genre (actually several; but I digress) where the "gender ratio" isn't equal: gaming. There are lots of females who game, but the majority is definitely male.
It will always be this way because it is simply natural.
The sooner people accept nature for what it is, the better off everyone will be.
As is, there's too much over-analyzing and thinking going on; too much trying to force square pegs into round holes.
Perhaps not so surprising - men and women can be different... and equal at the same time.
I seriously doubt women who want to play guitar refuse to play guitar because of scantily-clad gear babes on the covers of magazines, or because they overheard some fingertapping dude at the guitar store talk about "hewmungus bewbs" with the salesman.
There's another genre (actually several; but I digress) where the "gender ratio" isn't equal: gaming. There are lots of females who game, but the majority is definitely male.
It will always be this way because it is simply natural.
The sooner people accept nature for what it is, the better off everyone will be.
As is, there's too much over-analyzing and thinking going on; too much trying to force square pegs into round holes.
Perhaps not so surprising - men and women can be different... and equal at the same time.
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