Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

LesStrat said:
At the risk of being repetitive: it is more misogynistic to pretend that women are incapable of deciding for themselves than it is to identify common preferences.
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This. This is exactly what our "ideas" are making parody of. Companies trying to force women to do something by going out of their way to make it appealing to women. Just let women be and decide for themselves - as they are just as (or arguably more) capable than men at deciding for themselves. It would be a lot easier if the forum had a sarcasm font.
 
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Myaccount876 said:
It would be a lot easier if the forum had a sarcasm font.
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Quoted for truth.

Some of the biggest arguments I've had with my wife were via a text medium because one of us misinterpreted the tone of what the other was saying.

Sorry if I missed any of the sarcasm in this thread. I'm just one of those people that sticks up for the rights of all, so my jimmies get rustled sometimes. My mother always tells me that when I was 3 to 4 I would say things that were the complete opposite of what any member of my family would say (stuff like women belonging in the kitchen and black people are the N-word). My parents are the opposite of progressive, so I have no idea where I came from. LOL


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GilmourD said:
Quoted for truth.

Some of the biggest arguments I've had with my wife were via a text medium because one of us misinterpreted the tone of what the other was saying.

Sorry if I missed any of the sarcasm in this thread. I'm just one of those people that sticks up for the rights of all, so my jimmies get rustled sometimes. My mother always tells me that when I was 3 to 4 I would say things that were the complete opposite of what any member of my family would say (stuff like women belonging in the kitchen and black people are the N-word). My parents are the opposite of progressive, so I have no idea where I came from. LOL
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Good rule of thumb - read everything on the internet as if it is written sarcastically. Or at least consider the possibility before you go off on someone.
 
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Dr. Vegetable said:
Good rule of thumb - read everything on the internet as if it is written sarcastically. Or at least consider the possibility before you go off on someone.
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Yeah, I'll admit I'm a tad hot headed. LOL

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GilmourD said:
Yeah, I'll admit I'm a tad hot headed. LOL

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No worries!

Even if someone is a social-justice warrior, self-proclaimed or not, their hearts are almost always in the right place. No matter how aggressive they may seem (unless they're extremists obviously).
 
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

I am intrigued (and sometimes annoyed) at the number of men who take vicarious offense at other men noticing and admiring feminine beauty when the majority of women spend inordinate amounts of time, money, and energy on enhancing their appearance so that men will notice them.
 
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LesStrat said:
I am intrigued (and sometimes annoyed) at the number of men who take vicarious offense at other men noticing and admiring feminine beauty when the majority of women spend inordinate amounts of time, money, and energy on enhancing their appearance so that men will notice them.
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I'd say it depends on a case-by-case basis. If a woman is wearing tight and revealing clothing in public - doing things to attract attention to her body, and a man admires that without harassing her, I would say a man getting offended for that woman wouldn't make much sense. There isn't really a victim is this scenario.

Now if a woman dresses very modestly but the man is admiring her body in an inappropriate way, or even going as far as to harass her - as she is obviously not open to such observances/advances - then it is perfectly fine to call the man out. The man would be in the wrong.
 
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It's not a case by case basis. It is a distinction between typical and criminal behavior. Don't confuse the two.

The majority of women want men to notice them. The majority of men do so appropriately.

We weren't discussing outliers.
 
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LesStrat said:
It's not a case by case basis. It is a distinction between typical and criminal behavior. Don't confuse the two.

The majority of women want men to notice them. The majority of men do so appropriately.

We weren't discussing outliers.
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Gotcha
 
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

When this thread reaches 40+ pages and is ready for the archives, it would be cool to merge this, every other post, with the hot girls thread and see what a great read it all is. It would become the ultimate womens-appreciation and empathy thread.


One errant thing in the insight department here is the false premise that women automatically all want to do the same things men do and if they are not it's because of some external oppression they don't control. Has it crossed anyone's mind that if there is a large demographic not participating in something that it might possibly be just because they don't even want to and you can't make them want to?
 
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Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

LesStrat said:
I am intrigued (and sometimes annoyed) at the number of men who take vicarious offense at other men noticing and admiring feminine beauty when the majority of women spend inordinate amounts of time, money, and energy on enhancing their appearance so that men will notice them.
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I'm not one of those for sure. Heck, my wife is a liberal feminist and likes looking at boobs.

It's like when we talk about tone. When somebody says it's all in the pickups or all in the amp or all in the fingers they miss the point. It's about the whole picture.

Some people only focus on a woman's beauty and dismiss everything else. A beautiful woman can be capable of amazing things.

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This crap is still going on? If women want to play they can play. I don't think there's any reason to assume there's some unacknowledged gender bias that is discouraging them from playing. I also don't believe any false social media controversy surrounding perceived gender bias is going to lead to a exploitable market share. I doubt a lot of women are going to play guitar just because some man said they couldn't.

The ONLY barrier that I can see barring women from playing guitar is physical/ergonomic. If instrument manufacturers want more women to play they need to design instruments that are ergonomically suited to women players. This would require new body shapes, shorter scale length, smaller neck radius and lower string tension. When I tried to teach an ex how to play she was annoyed by the body shape, playing angle and neck thickness. Yes these are common complaints when learning to play, but every instrument she tried wasn't ergonomically suited to her shape and these factors led to fatigue and a loss of interest.
 
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idsnowdog said:
I doubt a lot of women are going to play guitar just because some man said they couldn't.
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Exactly.

When I asked my wife the question (earlier in this thread), I mentioned that some kept arguing that women don't want to play electric guitar because of the boobly magazine floozies in skimpy bikinis holding les pauls. She laughed and said, "no" and essentially, "they don't know what they're talking about".
 
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As others have reported, I also conducted my own limited, unscientific survey to discover why women don't play guitar. In fact, last night I asked the keyboardist in my band as well as my wife why they don't play guitar. Both stated, and I quote, "Because I don't want to."

Now, before you pick apart the methodology of this study, you must consider the emerging pattern across the spectrum of women asked. We have a unanimous response pattern that may indicate an actual demographic truth. It is conceivable based on our limited survey data, that LesStrat was correct several pages back when he speculated that women are electing to spend their time on other endeavors.

In summary, women are not playing guitar because they don't want to.

Someone else (Ace?) pointed out that the number of men who play guitar is a very small subset of the population. The number of men who tinker with their instruments and buy aftermarket equipment is a very small subset of the already minuscule population of guitar players.

I will posit that your marketing efforts thus far have been effective. In addition I will assert that the vast majority of women will never see this thread. Not because of some erroneously perceived misogyny, but because women are not entering aftermarket pickups, much less SD, into their search strings. Furthermore, since they've already decided that they don't want to play guitar, the probability of them searching for discussions of why they made that decision is nearly nonexistent (p<.000000000000000001).
 
Re: Why Aren't there More Female Guitar Players, Especially Electric?

Idea 33: acrylic nail guitar picks.

(This was suggested by the keyboardist in my band. Yes, she is female.)
 
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