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Why Doesn't Seymour Duncan Fix The Custom Custom SH-11 EQ Chart?
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beaubrummels
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Re: Why Doesn't Seymour Duncan Fix The Custom Custom SH-11 EQ Chart?
I don't think there's any general graph that can represent what a pickup will actually sound like with any real accuracy. It's just a general guide of the product line relative to each other, to point you in the right general direction. You have to install them and hear them to decide.
I don't think there's any general graph that can represent what a pickup will actually sound like with any real accuracy. It's just a general guide of the product line relative to each other, to point you in the right general direction. You have to install them and hear them to decide.
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Good to know. :bigthumb: Found it awhile ago and lurked a few times and kinda forgot about it.
gregory
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Seems to be mostly populated by a small handful of prolific members, who continually plug their pet favorites without paying much attention to the actual desires of the original poster.
PicoRiveraTele
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You say the BMT chart is "enough", and yet at the same time it's completely made up, and if it really is enough, then it has to be because it's not about facts and information, it's about confidence in your purchase decision. Making people feel like they made the right choice. A BMT chart it not much different from saying "if you like genre X, you'll like pickup Y" , but in the end there are no facts and information being exchanged, just a sense of assurance and security in knowing you bought something that's good.
I completely disagree that it's enough, though. The frequency with which people swap out pickups, and all the contradictory opinions that fly around about whether an SH-2 Jazz is "modern" or "vintage", is wildly wasteful and inefficient, and the only reason we put up with it is because we kind of enjoy the trial and error process, even if we waste a grand on pickup swaps over the course of several years. Just because we do, doesn't mean we should necessarily have to, though. I know some people out there swap speakers out of their cabs the way people on this forum swap pickups, and I have no appetite for going though five sets of speakers.
You say the BMT chart is "enough", and yet at the same time it's completely made up, and if it really is enough, then it has to be because it's not about facts and information, it's about confidence in your purchase decision. Making people feel like they made the right choice. A BMT chart it not much different from saying "if you like genre X, you'll like pickup Y" , but in the end there are no facts and information being exchanged, just a sense of assurance and security in knowing you bought something that's good.
I completely disagree that it's enough, though. The frequency with which people swap out pickups, and all the contradictory opinions that fly around about whether an SH-2 Jazz is "modern" or "vintage", is wildly wasteful and inefficient, and the only reason we put up with it is because we kind of enjoy the trial and error process, even if we waste a grand on pickup swaps over the course of several years. Just because we do, doesn't mean we should necessarily have to, though. I know some people out there swap speakers out of their cabs the way people on this forum swap pickups, and I have no appetite for going though five sets of speakers.
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Ben1962
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Hard to argue with their success. And the 21 day return makes it less painful for those who are strapped for cash. I am a little older and I think I can tell who knows what and whose opinions I can trust. This forum is a great thing for newbs like me, I learn TONS from guys like you and the guys who have been on here for years and playing for years. I been having a blast playing and learning, wish I picked up the guitar 30 years ago.I am obsessed LOL
Hard to argue with their success. And the 21 day return makes it less painful for those who are strapped for cash. I am a little older and I think I can tell who knows what and whose opinions I can trust. This forum is a great thing for newbs like me, I learn TONS from guys like you and the guys who have been on here for years and playing for years. I been having a blast playing and learning, wish I picked up the guitar 30 years ago.I am obsessed LOL
LLL
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Here's the deal:
If I'm looking to buy a new pickup, there's a wealth of info on the internet I can cull from to make the correct purchase for myself.
It would be foolish for myself to assume that any given pickup manufacturer is going to have anything more data-wise than
generalities. These guys simply don't have my gear, and it would be impossible to make clips or what have you that cover
every guitarists' gear setup.
So, like with any purchase I make over "x" dollars, I get down to digging and researching. Google, YouTube, forums, you name it.
I read reviews/experiences - watch videos - look at specs - listen to various clips (in the case of music gear).
The cool thing with SD (since this is SD) is if you don't like it, within "x" days (don't remember how many) you can exchange it.
As a consumer, it is our own responsibility to do the above mentioned things instead of blindly purchasing crap like a dumb***.
Here's the deal:
If I'm looking to buy a new pickup, there's a wealth of info on the internet I can cull from to make the correct purchase for myself.
It would be foolish for myself to assume that any given pickup manufacturer is going to have anything more data-wise than
generalities. These guys simply don't have my gear, and it would be impossible to make clips or what have you that cover
every guitarists' gear setup.
So, like with any purchase I make over "x" dollars, I get down to digging and researching. Google, YouTube, forums, you name it.
I read reviews/experiences - watch videos - look at specs - listen to various clips (in the case of music gear).
The cool thing with SD (since this is SD) is if you don't like it, within "x" days (don't remember how many) you can exchange it.
As a consumer, it is our own responsibility to do the above mentioned things instead of blindly purchasing crap like a dumb***.
Lewguitar
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Right. A graph of sweetness, tartness, color, etc., isn’t going to tell you what an apple tastes like either. You have to take a bite.
Right. A graph of sweetness, tartness, color, etc., isn’t going to tell you what an apple tastes like either. You have to take a bite.
gregory
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It doesn't help that these guys are the ones who usually have the most zealous convictions.
I trust very little from these guys regarding anything having to do with the glassiness/air of pickups for what should be a painfully obvious reason.
It doesn't help that these guys are the ones who usually have the most zealous convictions.
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Ben1962
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I do, with a grain of salt of course. I dont go by the 1st opinion, but I do believe in the general consensus of the members. Cant say I feel like I have been misguided in any way. Like when I read about metal guys going back to lower output PUPs, I think I understand. IDC tho, I like higher output pups for now. Same with the JB and all those who love to hate on it. I like it fine and dandy, I dont want all my stuff to sound the same
I do, with a grain of salt of course. I dont go by the 1st opinion, but I do believe in the general consensus of the members. Cant say I feel like I have been misguided in any way. Like when I read about metal guys going back to lower output PUPs, I think I understand. IDC tho, I like higher output pups for now. Same with the JB and all those who love to hate on it. I like it fine and dandy, I dont want all my stuff to sound the same
justFred
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you evidently lack even a basic understanding of guitar pickups by your stating a direct equivalence with loud speakers.
you evidently lack even a basic understanding of guitar pickups by your stating a direct equivalence with loud speakers.
PicoRiveraTele
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PicoRiveraTele
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So do you believe the taste of an apple is based in magical forces that beyond the comprehension of mortals, or do you believe it's based on chemical compounds that can be identified, and perhaps even isolated to make apple flavored candy?
So do you believe the taste of an apple is based in magical forces that beyond the comprehension of mortals, or do you believe it's based on chemical compounds that can be identified, and perhaps even isolated to make apple flavored candy?
PicoRiveraTele
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I can appreciate this idea that a laymen's description of the sound is useful. But a lot of it is just plain bull crap. Like saying a pickups has "sweet highs", or a "rude tone", even to the laymen that doesn't really translate into any specific audible experience. And the EQ charts, you think that if one pickup is one treble bar higher than another pickup it must therefore be brighter, but there's no guarantee it really is, because the height of that treble bar is based upon nothing constant in this universe. They can just as easily say "this SSL-1 has a treble cut off that is about 200Hz above the Five Two Strat, that means it will be a little brighter.", that would have some factual grounding an be presented in a way that a 1st year guy can comprehend.
Laymen's terms = good, lying = bad.
I can appreciate this idea that a laymen's description of the sound is useful. But a lot of it is just plain bull crap. Like saying a pickups has "sweet highs", or a "rude tone", even to the laymen that doesn't really translate into any specific audible experience. And the EQ charts, you think that if one pickup is one treble bar higher than another pickup it must therefore be brighter, but there's no guarantee it really is, because the height of that treble bar is based upon nothing constant in this universe. They can just as easily say "this SSL-1 has a treble cut off that is about 200Hz above the Five Two Strat, that means it will be a little brighter.", that would have some factual grounding an be presented in a way that a 1st year guy can comprehend.
Laymen's terms = good, lying = bad.
Chistopher
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I've played guitar for a long time and "A treble cut off at 200Hz" means jack when describing a pickup. A first year guy night not even know if 200Hz is a high or low frequency. Describing the sound of a pickup to someone who's never heard it is like describing a color to someone who hasn't seen it. You can't tell someone an RGB color value and expect them to understand what the color is. The best you can do is compare it to colors they have already heard before.
I've played guitar for a long time and "A treble cut off at 200Hz" means jack when describing a pickup. A first year guy night not even know if 200Hz is a high or low frequency. Describing the sound of a pickup to someone who's never heard it is like describing a color to someone who hasn't seen it. You can't tell someone an RGB color value and expect them to understand what the color is. The best you can do is compare it to colors they have already heard before.
PicoRiveraTele
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You deliberately left out " that means it will be a little brighter." You combine technical with laymen's language, so as to show that your statement is reality based, and not pull out of somewhere.
You deliberately left out " that means it will be a little brighter." You combine technical with laymen's language, so as to show that your statement is reality based, and not pull out of somewhere.
Chistopher
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But still, saying such and such a hertz at such and such an amplitude gives no context regarding the surrounding frequencies. Plus, the companies wanna make sales, and cool sounding words do that much better than fancy numbers.
But still, saying such and such a hertz at such and such an amplitude gives no context regarding the surrounding frequencies. Plus, the companies wanna make sales, and cool sounding words do that much better than fancy numbers.
PicoRiveraTele
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It was just an example. I don't even know if the difference is even really 200Hz.
It was just an example. I don't even know if the difference is even really 200Hz.
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Actually, it seems to be, as it does actually translate into sales. At the end of the day, most guitarists want the right pickup for them, and don't have endless time for charts, debates, and endless speculation about a company's motives. They just want to get on to making music. What is provided to me was enough for me to make the right decisions, and after I installed them, I went on to writing, performing and recording. My thought is that many people take the information, and make a decision. Obsessing over what isn't provided keeps people from actually playing. I have to say, if anyone wastes a grand on pickup swaps, they aren't spending enough time actually playing.
Actually, it seems to be, as it does actually translate into sales. At the end of the day, most guitarists want the right pickup for them, and don't have endless time for charts, debates, and endless speculation about a company's motives. They just want to get on to making music. What is provided to me was enough for me to make the right decisions, and after I installed them, I went on to writing, performing and recording. My thought is that many people take the information, and make a decision. Obsessing over what isn't provided keeps people from actually playing. I have to say, if anyone wastes a grand on pickup swaps, they aren't spending enough time actually playing.
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