wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

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Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

Ok enough for one day....
pos 1, 3, 5 are ok
pos 2 gives the bridge side coil of both B and N.
pos 4 gives the neck side coil of both B and N.

I have no unburned fingers left and beside my lady calls me for other "house things to be done :eyecrazy: " so I'll leave it for today….
Beside, could be interesting to play like that, I'm gona try it

Ps: feel free to update if you think the wiring should be different in order to get the wiring I was talking about
And….thank you VERY much for all your help.

 

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Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

BTW, I see in many places that in order to get the setup I talked in the first post, most of the wiring shows 2 wires soldered together:
Example 1
Example 2

In your diagram each wire is soldered separately, could that be the reason way I get the split like described above instead of the inner / outer coils split?

I would appreciate if someone could explain the way pickup wiring works, how do we get all the different setups ?

Thanks

 

[Phostenix]

Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

There's lots going on here - not the least of which is my upside down switch throwing you off....

Normally on SD pickups, the Black & White wires are the "inside" coils and the Red & Green wires are the "outside" coils. It appears that with these pups, that is not the case.

With this setup, I probably could have done it with the splits tied together. I started from a drawing where I was doing combinations of series & parallel wiring, so I needed the splits separated.

Here's a drawing that should get you what you want (the switch is oriented like it is when you are working on the guitar):

 

[Phostenix]

Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

We can discuss how all of this works, but I need to make some schematics for that. I might be able to post that later today.

Just to make things (more) confusing, let's skin this cat a different way. If you tie the splits together, the drawing would look like this:

 

[Phostenix]

Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

Now, that drawing is based on the idea that (most) SD humbuckers are wired with the Black & White wires to the inside coils & the Red & Green wires to the outside coils. That is also based on the assumption that you have a "neck" pup in the neck position & a "bridge" pup in the bridge position.

In your case, the Bridge pup gave us the coils that we wanted, but the Neck pup gave us the reverse. So, in order to get yours correct, I believe it would wire this way:

 

[Phostenix]

Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

We're just reversing the connections to the neck splits.

 

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Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

The 2nd drawing here is much easier to solder.
Both 1st and 2nd wiring are doing the same setup, so what is the difference between this 2 ?
I played a little now on the current setup, it sound nice, but I'm not happy with the split sound, it's too harsh / cold, the only nice thing about it is when I'm in pos-4 where the neck side coils of both B+N are on I get a kind of tele crisp sound in both clean and crunch, it's nice though but not my style.
Another thing that bothers me is that I feel a volume drop when going on split, it's not the case in my other guitar with this setup:

Pups are Dimarzio petrucci's signature, when going from either neck or B+N to inner coils split, the level stay balanced more or less.


im gona try tomorow the new diagram you have posted here and see where it gets me...



edit:
i see now that there is a 3rd one, man you are gooooood
so, the last one should do the job ?

 

[Phostenix]

Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

The 2nd drawing here is much easier to solder.

Oh, now you want easy? Sorry, I started from a drawing that was a more complicated switching setup & I should have thought through the fact that I didn't need to separate the splits for what you wanted here.

Both 1st and 2nd wiring are doing the same setup, so what is the difference between this 2 ?

Just 2 ways to do the same thing.

I played a little now on the current setup, it sound nice, but I'm not happy with the split sound, it's too harsh / cold, the only nice thing about it is when I'm in pos-4 where the neck side coils of both B+N are on I get a kind of tele crisp sound in both clean and crunch,

I prefer the sound of the neck side coils together rather than the outsides, but people usually ask for outsides & insides.

Another thing that bothers me is that I feel a volume drop when going on split

I can give you a drawing to have the inside & outside coils in series (instead of parallel) in positions 2 & 4, if you'd like to try that. It's a very different animal and requires shuffling the wires around, but it's doable.

 

[Phostenix]

Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

so, the last one should do the job ?

There's only one way we're gonna find out.

 

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Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

yap, only one way....
i will try the 3rd diagram and also would like to try the inner / outer split in series as well, its to thin / cold in parllel.
a big thank you

 

[Phostenix]

Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

With a 5-way & humbuckers, I like to use the series connections to keep that humbucker vibe going. But, I use an S-1 or 4PDT switch for 5 different choices & put the parallel & single coils on that set of switching choices. Basically, it gives you 2 different sets of tones. I call it Salt 'n' Pepper switching.

 

[Phostenix]

Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

Before we try the series connections, I'd like to have you confirm something. To do the series setup, I really need to make sure we know which coil is which. One of the pickups has to be wired differently for those connections.

Do you have a couple of alligator clip or mini clip leads? I'd like to have you connect the wires from each coil to the the output jack, plug into an amp & use a screwdriver or something similar to tap on the poles of the coil to make sure we know which wires are which coils.

So, one coil at a time, connect the red & green of each pup to the output jack and the black & white of each pup to the output jack.

Normally, the red & green wires should be the outside coils and the black & white wires should be the inside coils. It sounds like your neck pup might have the black & white wires going to the neck side (outside) coil and the red & white to the bridge side (inside) coil.

I'd like to confirm that before we go any further.

 

[Phostenix]

Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

Also, do you happen to have a small compass? It would be great to know which magnetic polarities you have.

 

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Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

Wow, getting complicated ha ?

Ammm, can we make things easier with a multimeter ?
I have a DVM (Fluk) which I can check resistance etc with it, will it be easier with that ?
Thanks

 

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Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

Gave it some more thoughts….
I already spend so many hours of trying to figure it all….I sure learned a lot but I'm still in the dark.
So, I'm gona visit my guitar tech tomorrow, first thing in the morning, we will have a nice chat about wiring options and we will make few wiring tests to find out the best for me.

Phostenix, I appreciate all the great helped you gave here, this is really nice of you.
Thanks.


p.s: as soon as ill have the final setup, ill post it here.

 

[Mincer]

Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

I use a wiring like this on my Steinbergers and my Music Man- in fact, it is what they use on the Music Man Super Sport. I was never able to do it with Duncans without flipping the magnet of one of the pickups.

 

[Phostenix]

Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

Slide, can you post a picture of the face of your guitar? I'd like to see how those pickups are mounted. If the neck pup is flipped around, that would explain the results you were getting.

 

[Phostenix]

Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

I use a wiring like this on my Steinbergers and my Music Man- in fact, it is what they use on the Music Man Super Sport. I was never able to do it with Duncans without flipping the magnet of one of the pickups.

The inside/ouside coils in parallel, not the coils in series?

You flipped the magnet to get hum cancelling in positions 2 & 4?

 

[Mincer]

Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

These an old thread of mine..it has been awhile, so I am not exactly sure:

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=62841

 

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Re: wiring 2 humbuckers with 5 way S.Switch + split problem

Pups installed ok:

This is my new baby:

I opened a thread here for discussing the pups i should install.






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