Wouldn't it be cool if they made a pickup that.....

[Securb]

thats a tapped pup. and tapped humbuckers can be made

I get the taped thing. I was thinking with the stacked coils it would not be as much as a PITA. Plus I have a strong suspicion stacking the coils will give a very different tone than traditional taping. they could also be different gauges of wire! Kind of like one humbucker living under another.

 

[Artie]

The Fluence pickups also have two distinct voices. I wish someone would do this with a passive pickup.

Sorta, kinda . . . (Actually, they have three voices.) I have a set of the Fluence Open Core Classics. I believe the three voices are simply series / parallel / split, which you select using an external switch. Obviously, you can do this with any 4-conductor humbucker or stack.

 

[Gtrjunior]

im out of a6 mags LOL plenty of a2, a3, a4, a5, and c8 bars since i bought those in bulk. might have a few a8 still. as soon as my gig schedule slows a bit, ill wind something up for ya. its a pita but i love ya

I didn’t know you wound pickups….

 

[jeremy]

I get the taped thing. I was thinking with the stacked coils it would not be as much as a PITA. Plus I have a strong suspicion stacking the coils will give a very different tone than traditional taping. they could also be different gauges of wire! Kind of like one humbucker living under another.

that bottom coil might be too far from the strings. most stack designs are to cancel noise

 

[Artie]

I believe the three voices are simply series / parallel / split . . .

I need to back pedal on this a bit. The 3rd voice is clearly split because that's how the pin is labeled. Plus, the ability to select which coil is active by either the solder pad or a switch. But I beleive that the 2nd voice is an internal active EQ. I emailed Fluence quite some time back, but didn't get an answer. I should text Frank Falbo. I got them from him.

 

[zionstrat]

thats a tapped pup. and tapped humbuckers can be made. its a bit of a pita to do it well but itll be louder and fatter with less high end cut on full output. ive done this with single coils a bunch but buckers get trickier since you want the coils to be humcancelling so you need to actually wind the coils in the opposite direction as opposed to just flipping start and finish, or put down 30% of the coil then add the tap on one coil and the tap at 70% of the turns on the other for example.

best result i had was 6500 turns for both coils for the low output, then adding 1500 more on one coil and 2000 more on the other so there was an uneven wind when going high output to retain a little more cut. it was a pita or i might have kept tweaking the number of turns and wind pattern

So, so glad to see this response.. there is often an advantage when a pickup can go from a weaker to stronger character and tapping is one of the most useful approaches, but often ignored..

As Jeremy mentions, they are a pain to wind and switching can also be a pain. However the tone shift can be incredibly useful and mass production could overcome some of the challenges and costs that low run winders encounter.

And there is an extremely good example of an excellent production pick up.. the vox coaxe is a coil within coil design for noise reduction and both coils are tapped to provide a regular and overwound timber.

I've had a couple of the vox guitars that include the coaxe pickups and I built a guitar around a set because of their great flexibility. The tapped tone is very similar to a clear and slightly underwound p90 and the full wire version is a pretty snarly mid-ranged p90 tone and it's noise free either way.

I have posted the following article many times.. it is a in-depth explanation by vox engineering and I continue to wonder if Seymour could wind something like this without infringing patents..

Vox only wound these for their guitars so there is very little knowledge in the real world, but if SD ran with a similar concept, I believe it could become very successful..

http://www.planetz.com/vox-coaxe-interview-with-vox-rd/

Also, vox created a switch dedicated to flipping the taps simultaneously on both coils, however, I was able to do the same thing with a super switch.

 

[beaubrummels]

I need a Custom 5 that becomes a Custom Custom with a push pull, and/or a Black Winter that becomes a Distortion on a push pull.

 

[Demanic]

I need a Custom 5 that becomes a Custom Custom with a push pull, and/or a Black Winter that becomes a Distortion on a push pull.

Couldn't that be accomplished with an onboard active eq? Or just an outboard eq for that matter.

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[eclecticsynergy]

Haha, I was thinking the same thing when I read the thread title .

Also agree about the complementary neck hybrid to go with the 59/C.

Ah yes, the mythical Hybird!

 

[beaubrummels]

Couldn't that be accomplished with an onboard active eq? Or just an outboard eq for that matter.

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I'd rather not have active electronics if possible. I tried it in a passive way. It required a bit of stuff in the wiring cavity. If the pickup just did it's own EQ tilt, I wouldn't need anything outboard.

 

[Mincer]

I'd rather not have active electronics if possible. I tried it in a passive way. It required a bit of stuff in the wiring cavity. If the pickup just did it's own EQ tilt, I wouldn't need anything outboard.

How could this be accomplished passively?

 

[eclecticsynergy]

So, so glad to see this response.. there is often an advantage when a pickup can go from a weaker to stronger character and tapping is one of the most useful approaches, but often ignored..

As Jeremy mentions, they are a pain to wind and switching can also be a pain. However the tone shift can be incredibly useful and mass production could overcome some of the challenges and costs that low run winders encounter.

And there is an extremely good example of an excellent production pick up.. the vox coaxe is a coil within coil design for noise reduction and both coils are tapped to provide a regular and overwound timber.

I've had a couple of the vox guitars that include the coaxe pickups and I built a guitar around a set because of their great flexibility. The tapped tone is very similar to a clear and slightly underwound p90 and the full wire version is a pretty snarly mid-ranged p90 tone and it's noise free either way.

I have posted the following article many times.. it is a in-depth explanation by vox engineering and I continue to wonder if Seymour could wind something like this without infringing patents..

Vox only wound these for their guitars so there is very little knowledge in the real world, but if SD ran with a similar concept, I believe it could become very successful..

http://www.planetz.com/vox-coaxe-interview-with-vox-rd/

Also, vox created a switch dedicated to flipping the taps simultaneously on both coils, however, I was able to do the same thing with a super switch.

I love the CoAxe pickups in my SSC-55. Three strength options, singlecoily sounding, and utterly noiseless in all modes. Great design.

It occurs to me that a dual tapped humbucker could actually give four full-humbucking tones.
Symmetrical low wind for a base tone, then adding either or both of the asymmetrical extra windings.
Not sure what it'd sound like with an unusually large amount of coil offset, but it'd be interesting to try.
Don't think it could be done on a single switch short of using a rotary. Push-pull plus a center-on SPDT would do it though.

That's not even addressing the various parallel options.
Of course, splits using either full coil would be a possibility too.
Maybe an eight-position rotary...

 

[beaubrummels]

How could this be accomplished passively?

Passive EQ can be done with just an LRC circuit - coil, resistor and cap. The way I did it was like a reverse Varitone, where instead of creating a notch in one frequency, it created a spike. But to get the peak Q wider than just a spike, it required a more sizable choke coil than the 1.5H Radio Shack type in Varitone circuits. It worked, but I never got it working the way I wanted.

 

[Aceman]

Come up with some cool ideas here!

Wouldn't it be cool if they made a pickup that.....
was 'blank' EQ-wise. As even as can be, designed for lots of processing, modeling and mangling.

I think DiMarzio makes a couple of those.

 

[Aceman]

Would love a pckup that would allow me to boost my mids or go from medium output to high output with a push/pull

That's called a "preamp"

 

[Aceman]

I need a Custom 5 that becomes a Custom Custom with a push pull, and/or a Black Winter that becomes a Distortion on a push pull.

OK - I'm down for the Black Winter / Distortion Multi-Wind Design (MWD <= Trademarking that here/now!) I love Distortions enough I don't want a Black Winter, but I wouldn't mind having one by hitting a little "refined" switch like on a triple shot ring.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

The thing is the Fluence thing is more than just EQ, AFAIK.

 

[Securb]

That's called a "preamp"

What part of "passive" don't you understand?

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Well, nothing "passive" is going to "boost", really.

 

[Securb]

Well, nothing "passive" is going to "boost", really.

True in reality the lower output tone would be a muted or reduced version of the more powerful tone in some way.