WOW it honestly really does happen..........(LP Content)
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Just looking at that makes me want to buy some DR strings.
Just looking at that makes me want to buy some DR strings.
oilpit
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f*ckin sigged man...hope you don't mind, posts this epic come only once in a long, long while...
f*ckin sigged man...hope you don't mind, posts this epic come only once in a long, long while...
trevorus
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Anything can be fixed with the right tools and know-how: http://www.chicagofretworks.com/2008/10/30/vintage-les-paul-junior-headstock-rebuild/
Anything can be fixed with the right tools and know-how: http://www.chicagofretworks.com/2008/10/30/vintage-les-paul-junior-headstock-rebuild/
TheLivingDead
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Re: WOW it honestly really does happen..........(LP Content)
Your LPs shan't feel my wrath.
Your LPs shan't feel my wrath.
Gearjoneser
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When I dream about damaged guitars, it's never Gibson headstocks. It's Ibanez wizard necks bowing under the pressure of 9's that haven't been played in a couple months. hehe
When I dream about damaged guitars, it's never Gibson headstocks. It's Ibanez wizard necks bowing under the pressure of 9's that haven't been played in a couple months. hehe
mwalluk
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JordanM82
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Hahaha, thanks for the laugh...
Personally I have never seen an LP break, I have seen them beaten up pretty good over the course of months of road use and touring and still never seen a break... I know it happens, I just think maybe it get's more attention then is actually proper for it...
Hahaha, thanks for the laugh...
Personally I have never seen an LP break, I have seen them beaten up pretty good over the course of months of road use and touring and still never seen a break... I know it happens, I just think maybe it get's more attention then is actually proper for it...
ImmortalSix
John Mayer's Mankini
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I love Gibsons and their breakaway headstock feature.
In all seriousness, the dirty little secret is that a repaired headstock is fine, possibly better than ever, and it cuts the used price in half.
Finding a broken and (well) repaired Les Paul is a great way to get a lot of guitar for not so much dough.
edit: also yes, nobody, I repeat nobody should be playing in D minor without proper training. Stay safe out there.
I love Gibsons and their breakaway headstock feature.
In all seriousness, the dirty little secret is that a repaired headstock is fine, possibly better than ever, and it cuts the used price in half.
Finding a broken and (well) repaired Les Paul is a great way to get a lot of guitar for not so much dough.
edit: also yes, nobody, I repeat nobody should be playing in D minor without proper training. Stay safe out there.
Re: WOW it honestly really does happen..........(LP Content)
i bought 2 baddly smashed Epiphones to learn how to repair snaped necks on... both were said to never play again but i managed to get them playing again... the one LP's neck was so baddly twisted i had to sande the neck straight and refret... the other was playing a few minutes after the clamps came off... got lucky...
i've seen some pretty cool and labour intensive work done on Les Pauls over the years... my 76 Deluxe had to have the neck steamed and removed as it kept twisting, and the glue joint around the neck was gone, dried out completely.... it was removed, then rebuilt with a custom made board and neck was refinished...
i saw a few posts and photos of repair guys work on the net that had a few baddly damaged Les pauls that glued in new pieces of wood as some chunks were missing... when they were done they looked new...
Pete Townshends old trashed up stage axes were quite often glued back together and reused... and reabused...
i bought 2 baddly smashed Epiphones to learn how to repair snaped necks on... both were said to never play again but i managed to get them playing again... the one LP's neck was so baddly twisted i had to sande the neck straight and refret... the other was playing a few minutes after the clamps came off... got lucky...
i've seen some pretty cool and labour intensive work done on Les Pauls over the years... my 76 Deluxe had to have the neck steamed and removed as it kept twisting, and the glue joint around the neck was gone, dried out completely.... it was removed, then rebuilt with a custom made board and neck was refinished...
i saw a few posts and photos of repair guys work on the net that had a few baddly damaged Les pauls that glued in new pieces of wood as some chunks were missing... when they were done they looked new...
Pete Townshends old trashed up stage axes were quite often glued back together and reused... and reabused...
Re: WOW it honestly really does happen..........(LP Content)
I've got a LP studio that I bought with a repaired headstock break. The sound of the guitar is great, but having bought it after the repair I'm not sure how/if the tone changed.
It was a great buy, as I could find a Left-handed LP on the cheap, and as it was just the shell (wood + plastic parts) it comfortably passed under the threshhold for import duties. For about $950 I got a LP with tonepros bridge bits, a decent wiring harness and Duncans as stock. Much cheaper than the $2000+ they go for here in shops.
I've got a LP studio that I bought with a repaired headstock break. The sound of the guitar is great, but having bought it after the repair I'm not sure how/if the tone changed.
It was a great buy, as I could find a Left-handed LP on the cheap, and as it was just the shell (wood + plastic parts) it comfortably passed under the threshhold for import duties. For about $950 I got a LP with tonepros bridge bits, a decent wiring harness and Duncans as stock. Much cheaper than the $2000+ they go for here in shops.
ItsaBass
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The best way to get a Gibson for cheap is with the head busted off. It's a repair you can do yourself in about 30 minutes work time (counting removing and reinstalling strings and tuners) plus about 2 cents worth of glue, or which you can have done for around $100 or $150 with no finish touch up. (Who needs it?) And your guitar is better than new once it is done.
Second best way is to get one that has been repaired well. Hard to know that unless seeing it in person, though.
The best way to get a Gibson for cheap is with the head busted off. It's a repair you can do yourself in about 30 minutes work time (counting removing and reinstalling strings and tuners) plus about 2 cents worth of glue, or which you can have done for around $100 or $150 with no finish touch up. (Who needs it?) And your guitar is better than new once it is done.
Second best way is to get one that has been repaired well. Hard to know that unless seeing it in person, though.
lex666
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Plz explain. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around why a repaired headstock is "better than new"... Wouldn't a break in the head just make it more succeptible to another break?
Its kinda like saying my car was in a major accident but repaired and "better than new"... I seriously doubt that.
Not arguing. Inquiring minds want to know...
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Plz explain. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around why a repaired headstock is "better than new"... Wouldn't a break in the head just make it more succeptible to another break?
Its kinda like saying my car was in a major accident but repaired and "better than new"... I seriously doubt that.
Not arguing. Inquiring minds want to know...
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mwalluk
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agreed.
Same with athletes who tore their acl/mcl, healed now "better than new"
I can see just as good, but not better than new
agreed.
Same with athletes who tore their acl/mcl, healed now "better than new"
I can see just as good, but not better than new
ImmortalSix
John Mayer's Mankini
Re: WOW it honestly really does happen..........(LP Content)
Glued wood is stronger in all grain directions and less prone to breakage than solid wood.
Glued wood is stronger in all grain directions and less prone to breakage than solid wood.
lex666
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Re: WOW it honestly really does happen..........(LP Content)
Really? Then why aren't all the nail and screw factories out of business?
Once a break happens you have a weak spot. Glue may re-attach it, but its still a weak spot, no?
Really? Then why aren't all the nail and screw factories out of business?
Once a break happens you have a weak spot. Glue may re-attach it, but its still a weak spot, no?
ItsaBass
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Re: WOW it honestly really does happen..........(LP Content)
A properly-done (meaning thin) glue joint is stronger and more dimensionally stable than the original wood itself; that's common woodworking knowledge. And it is right on the weakest spot of the neck, because it is right where the break occured. There is a very good reason that traditional guitar construction calls for a scarf joint on the head (which is basically just a neat version of the joint you get when you repair a broken head). Efficiency of use of your materials is one reason (no need for thick lumber), but strength is another. And volutes are right there with scarf joints. The invention of Gibson's one-piece, no-volute neck design was based on manufacturing considerations, not on high-end guitar making practices of the time. It works, and it looks good. But it does have it's compromises. And, of course, when Gibson finally did start making their guitars with volutes, they put them in a less-than-ideal spot and made them uglier than sin, so there was really no point in it.
Another point is that you don't need anything stronger than wood glue for the above mentioned "properly done glue joint." Epoxy is overkill. It's way stronger than needed, it's less plastic, it's more expensive, it's more toxic, it's harder and messier to work with and to clean up, and it is practically non-reversible, which is a bad thing when it comes to building guitars. You want most joints to be fairly easily reversible if possible.
A properly-done (meaning thin) glue joint is stronger and more dimensionally stable than the original wood itself; that's common woodworking knowledge. And it is right on the weakest spot of the neck, because it is right where the break occured. There is a very good reason that traditional guitar construction calls for a scarf joint on the head (which is basically just a neat version of the joint you get when you repair a broken head). Efficiency of use of your materials is one reason (no need for thick lumber), but strength is another. And volutes are right there with scarf joints. The invention of Gibson's one-piece, no-volute neck design was based on manufacturing considerations, not on high-end guitar making practices of the time. It works, and it looks good. But it does have it's compromises. And, of course, when Gibson finally did start making their guitars with volutes, they put them in a less-than-ideal spot and made them uglier than sin, so there was really no point in it.
Another point is that you don't need anything stronger than wood glue for the above mentioned "properly done glue joint." Epoxy is overkill. It's way stronger than needed, it's less plastic, it's more expensive, it's more toxic, it's harder and messier to work with and to clean up, and it is practically non-reversible, which is a bad thing when it comes to building guitars. You want most joints to be fairly easily reversible if possible.
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oilpit
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Re: WOW it honestly really does happen..........(LP Content)
I remember reading an interview with Slash a couple years ago it was right after his book came out and all of America has Slash fever. He said after he accidentally broke his main LPs neck by using it as a makeshift tremolo (is there an official name for this technique???) he intentionally broke two of his other Les Pauls, because he was so happy with how the first one sounded and sustained after it had been fixed...
I think Jimmy Page also said his #1 improved after a neck break...but I could be wrong on this one...
I remember reading an interview with Slash a couple years ago it was right after his book came out and all of America has Slash fever. He said after he accidentally broke his main LPs neck by using it as a makeshift tremolo (is there an official name for this technique???) he intentionally broke two of his other Les Pauls, because he was so happy with how the first one sounded and sustained after it had been fixed...
I think Jimmy Page also said his #1 improved after a neck break...but I could be wrong on this one...
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