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Re: parallel, split...output?
So does that mean that a series arrangement is: "2 weak, anemic singles next to each other picking up slightly different parts of the string vibration" at slightly different times (ie., separated by the minute delay in time it takes the current to run through each coil, one after another) that makes the humbucker sound the way it does?CSLSophia.com
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Re: parallel, split...output?
Originally posted by merkaba22 View PostSo does that mean that a series arrangement is: "2 weak, anemic singles next to each other picking up slightly different parts of the string vibration" at slightly different times (ie., separated by the minute delay in time it takes the current to run through each coil, one after another) that makes the humbucker sound the way it does?
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Originally posted by rumblebox View PostNot if you only split hot humbuckers...Zerberus Industries: Where perfection just isn't good enough.
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With respect, there is nothing 'incorrect' about the Duncan FAQ it is simply 'incomplete' intentionally. It is written in a way to answer a 'Frequently Asked Question' without bogging down the average player with specs. This BTW, equates and translates to 'real life' 'real-time' application. Not a measurement 'within' the pickup. If you put a measurement mic such as one used for an RTA for example in your room (I have done this many times to make adjustments to my recording environment over the years) and you play a humbucker (say 8k A5 as a basic reference) split...and then is parallel...with a clean stable tone (no modulation) through an amplifier or some sound source, the mic will see a roughly -3 db drop when playing parallel (all other things such a string attack being equal). It isn't 'perceived' volume, it is an actual drop due to diminished frequencies. This is a practical way to explain this and or understand this in my opinion. Although there are many educated players on the board, the FAQ is not to teach science, but just to let you know what to expect in real-time applications. I play clean and do a great deal of studio work for the most part so I personally am sensitive to that additional -3 db. Most players who regularly play in a live setting, loud volumes or with a great deal of gain (like many on this board) may not notice as much. But it is there...and the description is a useful one IMO.
Cheers,
Much Respect,
Rodney Gene, Austin Texas
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BTW, since the advent of the Internet and information sharing, more players have learned the 'actual' processes and techniques behind the science of pickups. There is real interest in it and that has spawned a great number of small, home based builders and countless number of home-do it yourself types. A great deal of the FAQs (although updated) have been around for years and years catering to the average player. Maybe it is time for Duncan to add some deeper info? Perhaps you guys could suggest everything you want to see there and offer it up?
Much Respect,
Rodney Gene, Austin Texas
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Originally posted by Rodney Gene View PostWith respect, there is nothing 'incorrect' about the Duncan FAQ it is simply 'incomplete' intentionally. It is written in a way to answer a 'Frequently Asked Question' without bogging down the average player with specs. This BTW, equates and translates to 'real life' 'real-time' application. Not a measurement 'within' the pickup. If you put a measurement mic such as one used for an RTA for example in your room (I have done this many times to make adjustments to my recording environment over the years) and you play a humbucker (say 8k A5 as a basic reference) split...and then is parallel...with a clean stable tone (no modulation) through an amplifier or some sound source, the mic will see a roughly -3 db drop when playing parallel (all other things such a string attack being equal). It isn't 'perceived' volume, it is an actual drop due to diminished frequencies. This is a practical way to explain this and or understand this in my opinion. Although there are many educated players on the board, the FAQ is not to teach science, but just to let you know what to expect in real-time applications. I play clean and do a great deal of studio work for the most part so I personally am sensitive to that additional -3 db. Most players who regularly play in a live setting, loud volumes or with a great deal of gain (like many on this board) may not notice as much. But it is there...and the description is a useful one IMO.
Cheers,
Much Respect,
Rodney Gene, Austin Texas
I wasn't actually measuring it, even that I can (I also have some RTAS hardware and software in my home studio).
And, as said. All this depends on each humbucker and how twin or dispair are their coils, what has a lot to see with witch frequencies are cancelled or reinforced and, therefore how they affect to the 'perceived' volume. Is equal 72dB RMS of low band frequencies than 72dB of high band frequencies?. clearly NOT, since your drives will be very busy trying to move the high energy that low frequencies need.My blog: http://hermeticoguitar.blogspot.com
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Originally posted by hermetico View PostA change of +- 3dB is 'perceivable'.
Cheers~
Much Respect,
Rodney Gene, Austin Texas
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Originally posted by Rodney Gene View PostSure, I understand. My point was to be clear. The term 'perceived' volume and how it was languaged is a phrase that generally does not refer to actual measured volume..but rather only a 'perceived' increase or decrease in sound level due to frequency changes. This happens often when switching between sets of monitors for instance. In the case of parallel versus coil cut, there is an 'actual' volume drop, not merely 'perceived'. In my experience most players cannot hear -3db of an overall tonal characteristic.
Cheers~
Much Respect,
Rodney Gene, Austin Texas
Not discussing with you, just thinking loud.
Last edited by hermetico; 01-21-2013, 02:05 PM.My blog: http://hermeticoguitar.blogspot.com
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Originally posted by hermetico View PostNot discussing with you, just thinking loud.
All is well brother Hermetico.
Cheers!
Much Respect,
Rodney Gene, Austin Texas
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