100W Non-Master Amplifiers Scare Me...
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NOTHING and I mean NOTHING compares
They will never give you the tight focused gain of newer amps, but they are BEASTS and can do damage. They are AMAZING in dual amp set ups with Soldanos or Diezels etc.
I highly recommend a hot plate and a clean boost so you can milk the classic tones. There are a bunch of other classic tricks that works well. They have the most organic tone and really respond to touch and your tone and vol controls.
NOTHING and I mean NOTHING compares
They will never give you the tight focused gain of newer amps, but they are BEASTS and can do damage. They are AMAZING in dual amp set ups with Soldanos or Diezels etc.
I highly recommend a hot plate and a clean boost so you can milk the classic tones. There are a bunch of other classic tricks that works well. They have the most organic tone and really respond to touch and your tone and vol controls.
Low_fidelity2100
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Re: 100W Non-Master Amplifiers Scare Me...
But useing sumthing like a power break totally changes the tone of an amp. And that kinda destroys the whole point of having power amp clipping. To me anyways.
jdm61 said:
But useing sumthing like a power break totally changes the tone of an amp. And that kinda destroys the whole point of having power amp clipping. To me anyways.
Re: 100W Non-Master Amplifiers Scare Me...
compromise with the hotplate is that it voids some warranties.......one type of attentuator uses a resitive load and other one uses......something else......HotPlate allegedly is not kind to your output tranny....the trick probably is to use a smaller cabinet so you get speaker breakup.....one amp maker i talked to said to get a nice closed back 1 x 12 to use in small spaces with the Power Brake
compromise with the hotplate is that it voids some warranties.......one type of attentuator uses a resitive load and other one uses......something else......HotPlate allegedly is not kind to your output tranny....the trick probably is to use a smaller cabinet so you get speaker breakup.....one amp maker i talked to said to get a nice closed back 1 x 12 to use in small spaces with the Power Brake
Low_fidelity2100
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Re: 100W Non-Master Amplifiers Scare Me...
It may not change the tone of the "amp", but it does change the tone. Weather its a change in the tone of the speaker, or amp, or whatever, It does make it sound alot different. To me at least. And Useing a smaller cabinet/less speakers would change the tone alot too.
I'm not trying to say its a bad Idea to use an attenuator. Just saying it changes the tone alot, weather thats good or bad is up to the individual. I personally don't like it. But I also Don't buy 100watt amps.
A marshall stack run full blast, theres nothing that sounds like it. But a marshall ran at full blast through an attenuator, Isn't the same thing. Thats all I'm sayin.
jdm61 said:
It may not change the tone of the "amp", but it does change the tone. Weather its a change in the tone of the speaker, or amp, or whatever, It does make it sound alot different. To me at least. And Useing a smaller cabinet/less speakers would change the tone alot too.
I'm not trying to say its a bad Idea to use an attenuator. Just saying it changes the tone alot, weather thats good or bad is up to the individual. I personally don't like it. But I also Don't buy 100watt amps.
A marshall stack run full blast, theres nothing that sounds like it. But a marshall ran at full blast through an attenuator, Isn't the same thing. Thats all I'm sayin.
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If i was in a pro touring large venue band i'd have one i bet..... I can't think of any bar i've ever played i could get away with one of them.... I've done some large outdoor shows but even then i can't imagine ever using one of those cranked..... but i still want a new 1959 handwired reissue... GAS for things i can't afford or use.... man that's sad
If i was in a pro touring large venue band i'd have one i bet..... I can't think of any bar i've ever played i could get away with one of them.... I've done some large outdoor shows but even then i can't imagine ever using one of those cranked..... but i still want a new 1959 handwired reissue... GAS for things i can't afford or use.... man that's sad
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On two seperate occasions I plugged into 100 watt amps. One was a friends 100 watt Marshall stack and one was another friends 100 watt Hiwatt stack. The power that's unleashed from those things is undesrcibable when opened up. Really, kind of frightening how loud they can get and how they can mess your senses up. I can't imagine how some people can play night after night with those amps behing them at ear level.
On two seperate occasions I plugged into 100 watt amps. One was a friends 100 watt Marshall stack and one was another friends 100 watt Hiwatt stack. The power that's unleashed from those things is undesrcibable when opened up. Really, kind of frightening how loud they can get and how they can mess your senses up. I can't imagine how some people can play night after night with those amps behing them at ear level.
Gearjoneser
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I love those amps like old Marshalls, Mojove's, and other non mastervolume amps.
There's only one problem.....they're made for one purpose......sitting in a rehearsal space or stage, next to a loud drummer, where you plug in, turn it up, and tear the roof off the joint. For every other application, you have the WRONG amp.
If you want to use an amp in your home, rehearsal space, and stage, you should really buy a master volume amp with a gain control.
If you fit into that category, you should only buy an amp that delivers good tone at low levels and high levels.
My solution is to have a tube amp that kicks ass in every loud situation, then also own a modeling amp that I can use at home at every volume. It's silly for me to compare a tube amp to modeling amp, because I like them both. I can have fun with the Valvetronix head at home, but it never leaves my music room. When I want real tone at high volume, it's tube amp all the way!
I think the smartest thing is to have 1 nice cab, then buy a great tube head and a great modeling head. Modeler for home practice.....tube amp for putting next to a drum kit.
I love those amps like old Marshalls, Mojove's, and other non mastervolume amps.
There's only one problem.....they're made for one purpose......sitting in a rehearsal space or stage, next to a loud drummer, where you plug in, turn it up, and tear the roof off the joint. For every other application, you have the WRONG amp.
If you want to use an amp in your home, rehearsal space, and stage, you should really buy a master volume amp with a gain control.
If you fit into that category, you should only buy an amp that delivers good tone at low levels and high levels.
My solution is to have a tube amp that kicks ass in every loud situation, then also own a modeling amp that I can use at home at every volume. It's silly for me to compare a tube amp to modeling amp, because I like them both. I can have fun with the Valvetronix head at home, but it never leaves my music room. When I want real tone at high volume, it's tube amp all the way!
I think the smartest thing is to have 1 nice cab, then buy a great tube head and a great modeling head. Modeler for home practice.....tube amp for putting next to a drum kit.
JammerMatt
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Nope. that's all the rain we're getting. I heard of this round yellow orb thing that comes out now and again. I forget what they call it though.
Guitarist said:
Nope. that's all the rain we're getting. I heard of this round yellow orb thing that comes out now and again. I forget what they call it though.
Low_fidelity2100
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Re: 100W Non-Master Amplifiers Scare Me...
Even a good attenuator Effects your tone. If you think it doesn't, then you probably just aren't familiar with your amp at full volume without it.
and also, You don't NEED an attenuator, even if you play the club circuit. What you need is a lower output amp. Unless your playing arenas you don't need a 100watt amp. And even then you don't need one, you just need to mic your amp.
If your playing bars, and small clubs, Your better off getting a 30-50watt amp. If your play a bigger venue, and need more volume, then mic it. Every large venue I've ever played has had an in house pa. If your Not playing large venues you don't need a large amp, and if you are you don't Normally need a large amp.
Somtimes its nessicary, But the majority of the time, its just a way for people to pull out they're pysdo rockstar poseing.
And on that note....I'm removeing myself from the conversation.
-edward
chopstherocker said:
Even a good attenuator Effects your tone. If you think it doesn't, then you probably just aren't familiar with your amp at full volume without it.
and also, You don't NEED an attenuator, even if you play the club circuit. What you need is a lower output amp. Unless your playing arenas you don't need a 100watt amp. And even then you don't need one, you just need to mic your amp.
If your playing bars, and small clubs, Your better off getting a 30-50watt amp. If your play a bigger venue, and need more volume, then mic it. Every large venue I've ever played has had an in house pa. If your Not playing large venues you don't need a large amp, and if you are you don't Normally need a large amp.
Somtimes its nessicary, But the majority of the time, its just a way for people to pull out they're pysdo rockstar poseing.
And on that note....I'm removeing myself from the conversation.
-edward
Telesexual
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Re: 100W Non-Master Amplifiers Scare Me...
cranked 100watt NMV amp. There is nothing like it. for most purposes 50 watts gives you a more usable power band but nothing can compare to that feeling you get when that amp hits your gut
cranked 100watt NMV amp. There is nothing like it. for most purposes 50 watts gives you a more usable power band but nothing can compare to that feeling you get when that amp hits your gut
Re: 100W Non-Master Amplifiers Scare Me...
i use a lower poer non-master volume amp (18 watts or so) that can easily be heard above any drummer i care to play with. i really like non-master volume amps, but there is no need for one that powerful that has to be so loud before it breaks up. i value my hearing more than how 'cool' it looks or feels. i don't like loud stage volume at all- in fact if i could get rid of all amps on stage, i would.
i use a lower poer non-master volume amp (18 watts or so) that can easily be heard above any drummer i care to play with. i really like non-master volume amps, but there is no need for one that powerful that has to be so loud before it breaks up. i value my hearing more than how 'cool' it looks or feels. i don't like loud stage volume at all- in fact if i could get rid of all amps on stage, i would.
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TheArchitect
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There is only one boutique builder that I have heard of coiding warranty for using an attenuator. The Hot Plate isn't hard on transformers. The fact that people are now diming out amps that they never could before sure is though.
jdm61 said:
There is only one boutique builder that I have heard of coiding warranty for using an attenuator. The Hot Plate isn't hard on transformers. The fact that people are now diming out amps that they never could before sure is though.
