About the forum pickup polls....a personal note...

XSSIVE

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Just so we’re clear, i’m just the guy making the polls that are as un-bias as possible and cover every option. i’m not in charge of this I just stepped up to get the ball rolling and now we have people trying to complain about the type of pickup it is after 102 of you already voted for a bridge hum over anything else. Then there are the folks that are upset that the polls have too many options, what’s that about, you don’t want to have a choice of several things? I didn’t want to be bias and leave out anything no matter how stupid I thought it was (there’s that un-bias thing) so I covered every option and let people vote.

Is this the best way to design a pickup...IMO not realy. Is it un-bias and majority rules and covering every logical option…yup, as close as possible to that as it can be anyway.

So please do NOT think I have any control over this. Heck guys we’re LIGHTYEARS away from what I wanted anyway so don’t think by making the polls it helped me in any way. It just got people asking me questions, me having to pester poor Evan to make sure everything was clear, people complaining about how I made the polls since what they wanted got out voted and people trying to change poll outcomes days after they have been finished. It’s obvious some of you aren’t happy since what you wanted has been vastly out voted but I am in NO WAY responsible for all the people that voted for things you may not have wanted. I only get one vote and I haven’t even used it every time truth be told.

I’ll gladly stop with the polls if that’s what you want and I honestly won’t feel bad, just let me know. However I have had people asking me when the next one will be up and voicing ideas as to what should be in it and such so I felt bad if I just stopped so I kept them going.

I’ll gladly step down and let someone else take over as long as they can be un-bias and not push their own personal ideas all over everyone to sway the votes yet they can also come up with a better way to design the pickup...feel free!!! if you guys rather go with one persons idea, that's cool too, whatever you all want and think will be best.

This has left such a sour taste in my mouth with people thinking I’m the bad guy in some way shape or form just because I made the polls that part of me doesn’t even want whatever the pickup may be even after all my time spent making polls and going back and forth with various people and Evan asking questions getting answers, making sure this is possible, asking if that can be done, making sure every option is covered etc etc.

you guys sure know how to make a guy feel bad and and feel like he’s wasting his time when all he wanted to do was get some organization and get the ball rolling….gee thanks!

i'm sorry if you all aren't happy and i can delete all the polls and wipe the slate clean to let someone else find another way to do this if that's what you would like. i just don't want to be looked at as a bad guy in any way when all i was trying to do was make it simple for everyone and lend a hand to get this moving instead of having a thread full of "but i want a..." "what if we use a..." "i don't like the..." "i wish it was a..." where it would take forever to come up with an idea.

you guys do realize the brobucker didn't come to life in a few days or weeks it was talked about for months heck it may be years even i don't remember but i do know it took a while to get everyone on board with that and even longer to get the SD company to go with it also. this is sadly NOT the same and it never could be since the seed of "10k hot paf" like the brobucker had was NEVER planted. this was just a blank page left for us to fill in and this seemed lke the only fair way to go about it.

-Mike
 
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I would like to personally apologize if my eagerness for the next poll has come off as impatience, frustration or unjustified criticism. I've been really excited about this opportunity, as I'm sure many are, but we need to remember that this is a special offer, most companies wouldn't be so good as to do something like this, and most forums wouldn't be able to work together for something as special as the brobucker project was. We need to set our differences aside, we're all here for the same reason: to create a unique custom pickup that reflects the majority opinion and the spirit of this forum. I'm proud that I could be a part of this, that I could get a vote that counts as much as anyone else's, and I would like to thank Mike for stepping up and getting the ball rolling.
 
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IMO. Some people are acting like a bunch of high school girls that didn't get the prom dress or date they wanted and now they're pouting.

I think this will probably spoil any other future SDUG CS pickups in the future. You guys are looking a gift horse in the mouth and bickering about the outcome w/out even giving it a fair shot.

Mike is probably one of the fairest guys on the board and we both have similar interests as far as tone and pickups and just from the first 3 poles this isn't really going in the direction I'd personally like to see spec wise. Not speaking for him personally, but it's prolly not what he has in mind for a CS pickup either.

Majority rules. Make your vote(s). Don't try to sway others into something YOU want and if you don't like the outcome. Don't buy. It's that simple.

Let Democracy decide.
 
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Mike is probably one of the fairest guys on the board and we both have similar interests as far as tone and pickups and just from the first 3 poles this isn't really going in the direction I'd personally like to see spec wise. Not speaking for him personally, but it's prolly not what he has in mind for a CS pickup either.

Majority rules. Make your vote(s). Don't try to sway others into something YOU want and if you don't like the outcome. Don't buy. It's that simple.

Let Democracy decide.

+1000000000

I too am not terribly interested in any HB much less a high output guy currently up in the polls.
I do however think this is a golden oportunity to get something unique at a more than fair price.
The more cooperation used in specing out this pickup the better chance of having a really special end result.

I honestly had a fear the whole poll thing might get out of hand with this particular build. The Brobucker kinda came together after MONTHS of lengthy and often heated threads.
This one was indeed a blank page......

SO FWIW... KUDOS to you Mike for taking on this daunting task of taking nothing and trying to help the masses come up with something great!
 
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It seems really wrong for someone To Blame You personally for the fact that Things aren't turning out like they want them too. Heres you are doing a Good thing, taking it upon yourself To TRY and help out the rest of the forum in decideing what THEY want. And your getting **** upon By people in return for Trying to help THEM. Seeing that happening has really pissed me off.
I thought this was a forum of adults, But it turns out theres also alot of whiney little bitches on here. Don't let em get to you man, your doing a good thing by setting up all the polls. Your helping the forum. If that happens to upset a few people, Tough **** for them I guess.

and...
I personally don't really care how the pickup turns out. Its looking like I'm probably not gonna want it as it is right now, But I guess we'll see. But from the way things have been going with it so far, the only fitting name for it would be the "Bitterness-bucker."
 
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I think you're doing a great job Mike.

I agree with you that polling for stats isn't really the best way to design a pickup, but at least it's getting the gears turning. The good news is, we don't have to select whatever pickup comes out of the polls. We could just use it as a concept.
 
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Then there are the folks that are upset that the polls have too many options, what’s that about, you don’t want to have a choice of several things?

It's not that. You'll basically have the same option twice which results in the votes being spread out.

Yes, that is a problem, especially when you only do it for certant things.
Now if you did that to every item on the poll it would be fine, but when you do it to a couple things that means that you will end up basically insuring that it won't have a chance as getting as many votes.
 
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Yeah Mike, continue this way. If for some reason all the options are unworkable for MJ/CS we'll know. I am in major favor of a 1 person 'leading' us as in a organized meeting. TO me, you are doing a fine job-so please keep it up!

Thanks for your efforts.

Remy
 
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Hey, Mike you've done a very good job so far......

I think you should make a poll about the different ways of the whole process haha.....that would be the poll without ANY final result I think.;)

As for the pickup........I like most of the specs (not 100%) but most of them, but the specs are only the half of it. The voicing is the other half......If it turns out to be a modded JB I'll have to think very much if I'll buy it as I'm not so fond of the JB but on the other hand it will carry an Alnico 8 that I would like to try......oh....I say, let's wait.....

PS. To the guys that are complaining about the different choices on certain things. There are some choices that cannot be made (eg aged ceramic etc.) What can we do about it? Nothing.
 
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IMO. Some people are acting like a bunch of high school girls that didn't get the prom dress or date they wanted and now they're pouting.

I think this will probably spoil any other future SDUG CS pickups in the future. You guys are looking a gift horse in the mouth and bickering about the outcome w/out even giving it a fair shot.

Mike is probably one of the fairest guys on the board and we both have similar interests as far as tone and pickups and just from the first 3 poles this isn't really going in the direction I'd personally like to see spec wise. Not speaking for him personally, but it's prolly not what he has in mind for a CS pickup either.

Majority rules. Make your vote(s). Don't try to sway others into something YOU want and if you don't like the outcome. Don't buy. It's that simple.

Let Democracy decide.
You tell em Brent.
 
Re: About the forum pickup polls....a personal note...

IMO. Some people are acting like a bunch of high school girls that didn't get the prom dress or date they wanted and now they're pouting.

I think this will probably spoil any other future SDUG CS pickups in the future. You guys are looking a gift horse in the mouth and bickering about the outcome w/out even giving it a fair shot.

Mike is probably one of the fairest guys on the board and we both have similar interests as far as tone and pickups and just from the first 3 poles this isn't really going in the direction I'd personally like to see spec wise. Not speaking for him personally, but it's prolly not what he has in mind for a CS pickup either.

Majority rules. Make your vote(s). Don't try to sway others into something YOU want and if you don't like the outcome. Don't buy. It's that simple.

Let Democracy decide.

Couldn't agree more. SOOO many peopel are bitching...but you know what?? If it's not what you want or you don't think were going about it the right way, then go order your own CS pickup. As said before, we should be PRIVILAGED that the company is willing to do this for us.

Mike (If I can call you that!) I think what your doing id great and THANK YOU. I actually LIKE the way we are going about this, instead of a set goal we are choosing our favourite characteristics from the many pickups we've played and putting them alltogether to make a unique pickup...its like a frankenstein pickup.

Thanks mike and to those who are being good about this, to the other people...if you don't like it then don't have anything to do with it.

-kamanda

EDIT: Maybe I'm just happy because all the decisions seem to be going in my favour :lol:
 
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I'm sorry to hear that Mike... I know you're a good guy and that you had all the best intentions in the world when you took that role...

I think you did a great job. However, I expected this voting process and design process to be a heck of a mess, and I think I was right... so many different players that usually can't agree on much have now to decide what will be their group custom shop pick-up... it's bound to be hard.

I think you did/are doing great man... I truly appreciate what you're doing.
 
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Mike, you are a good guy and you have a real purdy mouff also boy.

ROTF!
 
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Mike, don't take it personal. you are doing a wonderful job. this is the ONLY way to get a consensus in such a short amount of time. that said, I've been on board since day one. I would buy ANYTHING that we agreed upon. Yeah, it's probably not turning out the way I hoped but I did miss the brobucker offer and I have been kicking my own ass since then ... repeatedly. I don't want to make that mistake again. I am actually digging this pickup more and more as the polls progress.

Mike, don't take crap from these pansy-asses like Mephis (yeah I called you out beotch) who's just gonna whine and complain that they aren't getting what they want.

Mephis, You are only 19 and I understand that you do have a LOT of growing up to do but please don't criticize every little nit-picky detail for the sake of being an ass. You were probably spoiled as a child or is an only child ... that would explain everything.
 
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Mike, thanks for handling the polls. As far as I'm concerned, you're doing a fine job. I haven't voted for anything, because I would rather fork out an extra $80 and get a custom shop pickup built to whatever specs I prefer. In fact I did just that recently, and I am waiting for my DeMartini RTM. Really people, if you feel so strongly about it being designed a certain way, then order your own. . . no big deal. Although I am somewhat of a lurker, I am here often. And I appreciate the way that people exchange ideas here. Save the bickering for the fan sites.
 
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XSSIVE, I think you've been doing a damn good job keeping the polls fair with all the options. If you're getting hassled and I can understand your irritation. Unfortunately, no matter what you do for people someone always has an issue. Try not to let those people sway you from doing the job you bravely volunteered for,someone has to take the lead and you stepped up bro, kudos.
As for complaining, I hope people arent seeing the thread about a single design as complaining, because it isnt. Its simply a discussion that grew from those of us who would have prefered a single coil and saw the Brobucker as a tough act to follow. It's intention was to maybe grow a little groundswell of support so maybe the next time a opportunity like this arises we might not be starting from a "blankpage". Planting the seed,as you will, like the origination of the Brobucker.
 
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Mike . . . just another "we love ya bro" post. :bigok:

I haven't been following the "polls" threads much only because, as cool as an offer as this is from SD, their 128 plus selection already satisfies my needs. I'm just discovering the Antiquitys. Killer pups.
 
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Hey Mike I know I was a little critical of the polling process having too many sub options, but I didn't mean anything personal by it, I was not implying you were biased at all.

I am glad you took the responsibility to take this on as it's not for everyone thats for sure, and your patience is more than most mere mortals. I hope you stick with it and your work and effort will pay off. Thanks bro, we appreciate the time involved. Sincere apology if my words were offensive bro.
 
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Hey Mikey You doing a fantastic Job... Of course majority wins.. I am not seeing a pick up I want or would like but So what.. If I did see one that I wanted somebody else would have not liked it.
It is really great that you took the initative to set the balll rolling, and set up polls to choose from... I think it has been fair enough ( and I am saying that althogh I dont see something I wanted). Any way Cheers buddy.
 
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