Accoustic tone of an electric guitar?

BloodRose

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Does this matter much? Ive heard different things over the years. I know you want a guitar thats going to sustain and all. Ive heard some that make almost no sound when unplugged and some that ring big. My perception is that the bigger sounding ones are better; My Charvel so cal, Japanese SQuier strat both sound big when strummed unplugged and both sound huge plugged up. My trad pro and other LPs Ive had ring out, but have deeper, mellow tones, but when I play one LP the tone is bright an jangly. It is also alot lighter as its weight relieved and all. Is this normal or could this be something wrong?

thanks
 
Re: Accoustic tone of an electric guitar?

If it sounds good unplugged, it should sound good plugged in. A bad or weak sounding unplugged one can only be improved so much with pickups and amplification.
 
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Natural acoustic/mechanical resonance is a desirable property. In my experience, Fender Custom Shop and AVRI instruments do this very well whereas most MIM lookalikes do not.
 
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If acoustic tone didn't matter in an electric guitar, we'd all be playing plastic guitars.
 
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Really, I know this. I think my real question isnt so much whether it matters cuz I KNOW that my guitars that sound big unplugged, sound HUGE plugged up.. I think the real thing is if its a major concern if a thick sounding guitar like an LP has a bright jangly accoustic tone?
 
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Put your ear up to the back of the neck and strum a chord. You'll hear more of what is going on.
 
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When I evaluate a guitar in a store, I have usually made the buy/don't buy decision before I've ever plugged it into an amplifier. You can tell a good one by its acoustic properties, and you can fix almost any electrical issue after the fact as long as you have a playable instrument with good resonance.
 
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What you hear acoustically doesn't necessarily come thru to an amp. There's a lot of things in the signal chain that modify the signal: PU's, pots, cable, pedals, amp, tubes, speakers, etc. I think a lot of very good guitars get overlooked/rejected at a music store because they:

- are in need of a good set up (intonation off, action off, PU height wrong, truss rod adjustment needed, etc)
- need some TLC (rusty strings, greasy neck, etc)
- the stock PU's or magnets aren't the best fit for the wood
- they sound better plugged-in than acoustically

I think that many guys on this forum can take a guitar that doesn't sound or play particularly well, and significantly improve both. I've owned many guitars, and don't think I could pick the best guitars in the store unless I spent some time tweaking each one. Maybe some guys have a special gift from above (or believe that they do) and are able to do it. It's easy to pick the one with the set-up that fits you best, whose stock PU's match the wood best, and that sounds the best acoustically, but that doesn't take much skill, and you miss a lot of gems when you do that. The best-sounding guitar in the store may be the one with old crud-infested strings, with a slight back-bow in the neck, and the intonation off so you can't tune it right; 15 minutes and that guitar may sing, but who's going to do that? No customer will, and its unlikely any of the employees will either. So it sits neglected.

I personally don't think it matters what an electric guitar sounds like acoustically, as your ears can't hear everything unless it's amplified, and besides, in the hundreds of bands I've seen live over the years, I've yet to see anyone play an electric guitar that wasn't plugged in. The starting place is a good, clean amplified tone; that may or may not correlate with it's acoustic sound. There's been posts here by guys with electrics that sounded great, until they plugged them in; it's happened to me. One of the best-sounding guitars of mine acoustically took several sets of PU's before I could good tones thru an amp. One poster I recall said he had two guitars that sounded almost identical acoustically, but when plugged in were very different sounding. There's a comfort that comes with making assumptions, and you can use any criteria you want to pick your guitars, but all that matters is how that guitar sounds thru your amp. Everything else is irrelevant. It is certainly possible to have a guitar that sounds great acoustically, that sounds mediocre amplified.
 
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It is a real issue for me when i buy a new guitar that it has a big,strong sustaining tone unplugged. then i am very confident things will only get better with pu's,etc:)
 
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The best-sounding guitar in the store may be the one with old crud-infested strings, with a slight back-bow in the neck, and the intonation off so you can't tune it right; 15 minutes and that guitar may sing, but who's going to do that? No customer will, and its unlikely any of the employees will either. So it sits neglected.

Let me add that I've bought many a guitar that had crud all over it, corroded strings, poor setup, etc. You have to look it over and apply your own judgement to decide what can be fixed and what can't. I usually expect to do some setup on any guitar that I buy to make it ideal for me. It is not necessary (nor is it practical) to clean it, put fresh strings on it, take it to a luthier for a good setup, and then play it through your own rig for a month before you decide whether to buy it. It is, however, quite practical to buy it and then do all those things before you decide whether you will return it.

It is possible to have a guitar that sounds great acoustically and mediocre amplified, but those are generally the things that can be fixed with pickup swaps or other electrical repairs/modifications. If it doesn't sing acoustically without amplification, it is far less likely to ever become a decent instrument no matter what you do to it. It certainly is not the end of the world if I overlook the occasional diamond-in-the-rough because it has a serious bow in the neck or other dubious qualities. I've walked away from many a fine guitar that I just didn't need to buy, and the sun still comes up the next day.
 
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Not at all. Very littel at best.An acoustic guitar is just that, it aint an electric..go look for littel boys playing made in mexico strats looking for "acoustic resonance" and all that garbage.
 
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I always listen to the "back of the neck" - seriously. Try it.

The bottom line is the acoustic sound is the max potential it has. So if maximum potential tonal mojo is what you want, - definitely.

Then again, as I have often said, A SuperDistortion, into an Overdrive, a chorus, and a delay, into a raging MArshall. Whatever. A two x Four would sound the same a Pearly Gates. And that's ok too.
 
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I usually put my left hand on the headstock, guitar unplugged, and apply a single, hard strum across the strings and count how many seconds before you can no longer feel the vibration in the headstock. The longer the duration, the better interaction of neck, body, nut, bridge and strings are a cohesive unit sonically.
 
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I usually put my left hand on the headstock, guitar unplugged, and apply a single, hard strum across the strings and count how many seconds before you can no longer feel the vibration in the headstock. The longer the duration, the better interaction of neck, body, nut, bridge and strings are a cohesive unit sonically.

That may be, but it doesn't tell you what tonal range the guitar will have thru an amp. It's possible to have a lot of sustain and a so-so sound.
 
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It certainly is not the end of the world if I overlook the occasional diamond-in-the-rough because it has a serious bow in the neck or other dubious qualities.

Agreed. But all it takes is a very slight neck bow, that a quarter turn of an allen wrench on the truss rod would fix, to make that guitar less-than-desirable. That happens with temp and humidity changes with the seasons. Once you took care of that and got rid of the fret buzz, it might have a great acoustic sound and lots of sustain. Obviously you know more than the average player, but what amuses me are the smug guys that brag how they went thru thru a dozen or two dozen guitars in a music store and 'picked the best one' that only they could find. Of course, immediately excluded were all the ones that had old nasty strings, and those that didn't have a set-up they liked. They act like they alone have a scientific selection method that's infallable. Anyone can pick 'the one guitar' in a store that's most suited for them as-is. The skill comes in finding great ones in the others, and having the know-how to make them shine. Those are the guys I want to talk to, not the ones that sat around and strummed some guitars.
 
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See post 8 and post 12. A solid body electric is not meant to be used acoustically. They were designed to NOT be resonant, because resonance causes feedback howl. Plus, the signal that does matter, the electrical one, is created by strings vibrating in the magnetic field of the pickups. Unless they are microphonic (a bad thing) again the body "resonance" should not matter. The only electrics with enough "acoustic sound" to matter are archtops anyway. And even there, as the amp volume goes up, so does the feedback howl.
 
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It is a real issue for me when i buy a new guitar that it has a big,strong sustaining tone unplugged. then i am very confident things will only get better with pu's,etc:)

I fully agree! I love a guitar that rings big and bold and vibrates in my hands so it feels alive..
 
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Im just glad that Les Paul went with mahogany and maple rather than a piece of railroad in the end.
 
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