celestion vs. eminence

[Grizzly_Diesel]

I got a decent Marshall cab with some junk speaker's. I saw eminence had a packsge setup with 2 Texas heats and 2 swamp things. I haven't personally heard these speakers. Ive also been hearing good things about the celestion 70/80's and the gt12k-100'sgt12k-100's. What's your guys opinion on these speakers for a good low end metal punch?

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: celestion vs. eminence

I don't like 70/80's.

Not sure about metal much, but I have heard some people liking the 70/80's in a 4x12 when paired with other speakers.

I am currently shopping for a new speaker in my 1x12 practice amp and one thing I have learned over the years when doing this is it's really up to you. I know it's not always possible to go to a store and try out eaxactly what you want, how you want it but there are definitely a lot of videos and soundclips available now.

The hardest part of helping people with speakers is it's a subjective matter. Everybody has their own preference and taste. With so many choices available these days it's hard to make a decision on the matter! However, once you do find the speaker or even combo you like it's usually safe to say you will like it throughout your life. I am usually a Celestion guy myself (but not the 70/80's) however, I am thinking of checking out a Cannabis Rex. That's the problem and the great thing about choices, they can make you stray or ponder something new.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

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Huge Low end are what the G12T75s are all about. The G12K100s are more of the same at higher power handling.

 

[Grizzly_Diesel]

Re: celestion vs. eminence

Ill have to look into the g12t75's. any expierence with eminence? I cent seem to find a cab that's stocked with eminence?

 

[Grizzly_Diesel]

Re: celestion vs. eminence

Yeah I understand. Im lookin for a nice tight low end without sacrificing too much top end. I play mainly in drop A with the occasional C standard.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: celestion vs. eminence

Im lookin for a nice tight low end without sacrificing too much top end.

The G12T75s still have plenty of top end. Its EQ is huge bottom end and still strong top end with pulled back mids. I don't like them myself for my playing styles but for most modern rock styles they are well suited.

I think the Emi equalivalent is the Man O War??

Vintage 30s are also used much with high gain amps. They have thick mids with tight bottom but less total bottom than the 75s. The Emi equalvalent is the Gov'ner.

 

[ColeJustesen]

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I have really liked the Eminence Legend V12s. Tight, punchy low end with a bit of top end attenuation, which helps with amps that can get buzzy. That said, Vintage 30s sound great in lower tunings.

Like it was already said, this is very subjective. My current top list would be Fane Medusa 150 ($$$$ - you almost can get 4 V12s for one Medusa 150) > Eminence Legend V12 > Vintage 30 > Classic Lead 80

My buddy has a 4x12 loaded with Eminence Legend 1258 speakers and it sounds great with his DSL100H. They don't have as much bass as the V12s, but are still tight. The high end isn't as attenuated as the V12s and it has a bit different mid focus. Really solid sounding speakers!

Best of luck deciding, you have tons of options!

Cole

 

[hydro]

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I have tried a Swamp Thing and a Texas Heat. To me, the Texas is a much darker speaker and it breaks up more. The Swamp Thing is a very clear, uncolored speaker with more of an evenly distributed EQ.

Personally I oreferred the swamp thing, but it just depends on what you want. I compared them in a 1x12 open back Avatar cab and there was a significant difference in their sound. I think Swamp Thing is prob. better for metal and drop tune, the Texas would be good for blues or classic rock.

 

[allbutromeo]

Re: celestion vs. eminence

Check out www.wgs4.com Warehouse Guitar Speakers. They do good copies of Celestions for a very reasonable price. I've used the creamback&v30 models and like them alot

 

[xxxplorer]

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Swamp thangs are beasts... Thick, warm, clear yet crunchy.


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[philthis]

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I quite like the Celestion V30's. I have the same 2 2x12 cabs loaded with them and every distortion amp I have used them with has sounded better when run through these cabs. They also sound really good for some reasen with a Fender Bassman tone circut for cleans becouse they roll off the ice picky highs that other speaker companies seem to accentuate. There is a reason they are so popular and thats becouse most people like the tone of them.

 

[Demanic]

Re: celestion vs. eminence

I have tried a Swamp Thing and a Texas Heat. To me, the Texas is a much darker speaker and it breaks up more. The Swamp Thing is a very clear, uncolored speaker with more of an evenly distributed EQ.

Personally I oreferred the swamp thing, but it just depends on what you want. I compared them in a 1x12 open back Avatar cab and there was a significant difference in their sound. I think Swamp Thing is prob. better for metal and drop tune, the Texas would be good for blues or classic rock.

I think that's why Eminence offers them in a combination. I have a Swamp Thang in a Carvin XV-212 combo, and am thinking of swapping out the stock Celestion G12-M70 for a Texas Heat.
Plus think about it, 4 of them in a cab would make it a 600 watt cab. You could probably max out a 200 watt head without worrying about hurting the speakers.

 

[misterwhizzy]

Re: celestion vs. eminence

I think Seventy 80s are the model Celestion makes so cab manufacturers can put a "Celestion Speakers Inside" sticker without adding any cost. They're the worst Celestion I've ever played, and I'd feel bad letting you waste your money on them.

 

[GuitarDoc]

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70/80s are a fairly inexpensive Celestion spkr. They aren't a bad spkr, but they have no character. They are used alot in modelling amps because of their flat response and lack of coloring the tone. The Rocket 50 is perhaps their "worst" spkr.

That being said, the Swamp Thang is one of my favorite speakers. But for a massive low end punch the Celestion G12k-100 is super. I think that the G12T-75 is similar but lower sensitivity and lower wattge.

The Texas Heat/Swamp Thang combo is a great package and used and loved by many.

 

[treyhaislip]

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I've used both and liked both. My current amp has an Eminence Legend that sounds absolutely amazing

 

[King IzzO)))]

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If you play loud and with a lot of gain you won't like the 70/80. It sounds OK at low volumes, but other than that, ffffrrrrrt. Don't waste your money.

Also stay away from the G12-L35 if you play over 5 watts, ugh.

K100's are great all around, big low end, nice mids, not too bright. No worries tuned low. T75's are fine with middy amps at loud volumes, nevermind bedroom player haters. No problems tuned low. They sound really ****ing good for metal combined with V30's to me. T100's are allegedly a higher wattage version of the T75, but I can't confirm and I haven't heard them. Seems odd that they are cheaper than T75 new if that's the case.

Swamps are awesome, big low end and low mids, but seem good for nearly everything. They handle low tunings with ease, LOUD speakers. V12 are great, they're sorta like a V30/G12-65 mash-up. They like bright amps and hold it together well in low tunings. Wizards are cool, but bright and LOUD, they didn't seem to hold up as well in B/A.

 

[Liquids]

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I love my pair of emience swamp things in my 2x12. Effiecient (loud!), but more so, sweet US high end without being dark for overdrive, and incredible lows--powered by an ampeg V-series amp that is actually a bass amp, it delivers the goods, as well as a vintage 1x12 ampeg combo which has one in there. But they sound good with whatever I've plugged into them.

The Texas heats seem to be more popular, and swamp thang is a lousy name, but the sound comparisons back and forth on the eminence site, as well as a frequency curves both tell the story of what seems like subtle differences but are prnounced once you get into it. There's a great Rivera demo video on youtube with a bunch of speakers including the swamp thang; you can memorize where the "playback point" is for this vs that speaker and you can a/b that way too for general tonal comparisons.

 

[misterwhizzy]

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On a more positive note, I have a 2x12 with an Eminence Wizard and Governor paired, and I think they sound great. Probably not the big low-end punch you're after, because that's not at all the tone I go for, but it's a really full sound with plenty of thick, crunchy mids. It's also pretty versatile, although with a single-channel amp, I don't do a whole lot of tonal variations besides what happens with my volume knob.

I'd love to give a pair of WGS Green Berets a run, though, too, but again, not a real metal type sound like you describe. Forum member metlking may have a different take on that, though.

 

[80's_Metal]

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I have a cab with Texas heat and swamp things, also a cab with celstions. They are very different animals for sure.
All I play is metal so that's the bias I have.

Imho the eminence are clear, and they move a lot more air, when I use them, I use drop c or similar and get the chugga chugga to shake the ground and they do the job very well. Gritty and punchy with lots of lows and mids.

But for sizzle, leads, and break up, I use the celestion cab. Gt75 and v30's Its exactly marshallesque.

Now what really cooks the gooses ass is when I got em both plugged in.