DAMNED. LAVA. CABLES.

St_Genesius

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It's my fault. I take full responsibility. I suck. I know. So no need to tell me.

But I've just got to vent my frustration:

I sat down last night to wire my pedalboard with Lava Cables solderless cable kit(s). I borrowed a continuity tester from a buddy so that with each connection, I could test to make sure that I was getting signal between the tips and not shorting to ground. I'm trying to make everything very neat, so coming out of one pedal, I drop through a hole in the board, run a short distance and then back up another hole by the input of the next cable. Then, I cut the cable to roughly the right length (erring on the side of slightly too long), make the terminating connection, test it, plug in and move on.

Every connection checked out as I made it.

Yet, when I plugged in a guitar on one side and an amp on the other...nothing.

So I started at the end of the board and worked backwards. A couple of pedals in, I found two cables that each had one tip shorting to ground.

Because of the fairly tiny amount of cable sticking up through the board -- combiend with the fact that the holes are not big enough to pass an already assembled right angle tip -- it's fairly tricky work, but I eventually got both of those cables repaired...

...only to find that my jostling of the board in the interim had caused at least one other cable to fail.

Seriously, how is this easier than soldering?
 
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I would never user solderless. What's the point?
 
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I think if you have enough fine coordination to play guitar, you have enough skills to solder properly.

And if you still can't, upgrade your soldering iron. And watch a few Youtube videos, you might be doing something wrong.

I thought I sucked at soldering until my old iron died and I bought another one.
Now my wiring is so clean it looks like it came from a catalog or something.
Before it was all brown/black spots and excess.
 
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Because of the fairly tiny amount of cable sticking up through the board -- combiend with the fact that the holes are not big enough to pass an already assembled right angle tip -- it's fairly tricky work, but I eventually got both of those cables repaired...

...only to find that my jostling of the board in the interim had caused at least one other cable to fail.

Seriously, how is this easier than soldering?

Make the holes bigger, and add an extra inch to each cable, it'll make it a lot easier.
 
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I took a verbal beating from more than a few friends when I suggested solderless pedal board kits and they couldnt get them made correctly... I've had the Core X2 kit for over a year and the cables have never failed me, even when I was initially making them they all worked the first time. maybe its just dumb luck...
 
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I took a verbal beating from more than a few friends when I suggested solderless pedal board kits and they couldnt get them made correctly... I've had the Core X2 kit for over a year and the cables have never failed me, even when I was initially making them they all worked the first time. maybe its just dumb luck...

Some cable kits are better than others. I've never had any problems with George L's, but I find it almost impossible to make a decent cable using the Live Wire solderless connectors. I will definitely go back to soldering (which is ultimately simpler and more confidence inspiring).
 
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solderless stuff sucks, just another marketing BS
 
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Plenty of people out there with solderless kits that have no problems. However, for me it takes no more time to properly solder than it would to use solderless connectors, and I trust soldered more.
 
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I've never worked with Lava's kit, but I've made a lot of George L cables.

With George L's, you can't simply use wire cutters on the cable. The cables must be chopped, so the ends are perfect before feeding them into the 1/4" angled ends.
Is it possible that this is the problem?
 
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I made my board the same way, used GeorgeL and had some issues too. PITA but it's all good now, and I really like the GL tones. Beeber is right, gotta chop the ends clean, I use a fresh utility knife on a cutting board, gets a nice flat cut. My co-guitarist switched from GLs to Lava, he said it was much harder to make, but he loves them...
 
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i have a background in electronics since i was in 7th grade, so i might be an outlier .... but i find the lava solderless to be outstanding ... i knock em out in a coupla minutes per cable ... havent had one flake out on me yet except for the time that my dumb@$$ bassist (sorry, redundant, i know :D ) kicked at my board while flailing/fumbling/tripping onto stage as we got ready to start the next set .... i was able to repair it on the spot before the set started becuase it is solderless ...

sorry you had bad luck, StG - i hope it stabilizes and stays solid for ya
t4d
 
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Where's Lavaman when you need him?
 
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Who is Lavaman? Is the proprietor of Lava Cables a user here? If so -- or hell, even if not -- let me reiterate that I take full responsibility for my own failures, and so intend no disrespect. I simply needed to vent my frustration.

Where's Lavaman when you need him?
 
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Yeah he post here... some cool "how to" videos if I remember correctly.
 
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Dunno knob about the Lava solderless but the Lava retro coil is the bomb and for pedal boards I go George L's all the time, have been for years and see no point in changing.

Anybody that hates solderless cables has never fixed a cable backstage with a pocket knife less than a minute before time to go on!
 
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That's it!

 
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I use the mini ELCs also, but i solder them to amphenol plugs.
 
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