Digital Modelers

Ah, I get what you are saying now, but they are not fixed in position in the chain. And again, without the computer I agree, it is be a total PITA to program.

The reason I haven't upgraded my 100 to the 1000 is that I'm concerned that the algorithms are essentially the same as on the 100 (but with better cab sims). IOW the things I don't like about it will still be there.

And I know the interface... is what it is. A few weeks with the G11 and I realize how much room for improvement there is.

It would be terrible to spend around 1K and get a 10% improvement in sound and zero improvement in UI. With the G11, I got a 20% improvement in sound and a 100% improvement in usability. The 1000 would need to sound a whole lot better for me to not regret it. And I know the 100 inside out. I think its closer to the 1000 that most people realize. The 100 is a highly tweakable Katana in a box.
 
The new AIRD algorithms are not in the 100 or Katana, but a lot of the other stuff may be shared. It does have all the 500 series effects in it, so, even just for effects alone it was cheaper than buying all 3 500 series, and has a lot more to offer. I understand your hesitance, I actually liked my 100, so was hesitant too. Was it worth it, to me at the time, yes, only you can decide for yourself.

And I do agree, the Boss interface is klunky, but I only have a few patches that I use, so I'm not a huge tweaker, hence why I'm looking at putting together a pedalboard around an analog preamp.

Why not just put the analog preamp in the loop of the GT you ask? Because, that's the only answer I have, and I have a decent collection of pedals to start with. I will say, whether real, imagined, or maybe I haven't spent enough time programming the GT, but the analog preamps seem to feel better than digital.
 
I dont think its the preamps in the 100 that I dislike. When I run them to the loop of a tube amp, they could as well be tube preamps. Running them through a tube amp and speaker cures whatever ails them.

I think it has something to do with the whole thing of simulating an amp. Its more than the preamp, its more than an IR, its more than EQ.

Videos of the 1000, I hear that it has alot of similarities with the 100. Whether the new cab sim fixes that, or its just higher resolution versions of the 100 I won't know until I try.

This isn't something I need. Not being excited about a 1K purchase kinda defeats the purpose. :2:
 
I used to be able to get people to pay me to stop playing. I guess I should get back to work.

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BOSS has come a long way from the COSM preamp I used for years in the GP-100 I had.

Iirc, the last Boss unit I owned had that technology.
Like I’ve said before, the digital fx sounded good, but the drive effects left a lot to be desired.
 
The problem with COSM was that boss drive sounds had a synthesizer sound about them, the kind you would find in their roland synth unit. That & the lack of development in the algos gave it a bad rep all the way up to the gt10. The gt100 was an improvement but not enough to pick it over some other brand unit in terms of amp modeling alone. The GT1000 they actually ended up using much better hardware to support higher resolution algos, that helped big time. I can hear the boss sound character present in it but that's because I'm very familiar with their sounds, it's not synthy sounding anymore but each of these brands have a characteristic sound signature that some get drawn towards.

However, it's a much better unit compared to the old ones for amp modeling, they recently released the smaller version of it called Core. The price difference between the two isn't big enough to not choose the bigger one where I live. For a performing artist the gt units have always been reliable & feature rich, enough to get even the older COSM tech workable with additional hardware. For a recording artist, while it can work I'm not sure if boss would be my first choice cause there are more options now that don't cost alot. Gundy Keller had a vid of his old & new setup using the Bluguitar amps, his gt10 sounds were nice, sadly the gt1k was not properly routed, he might have put up new vids featuring the new unit more.

Johnny Marr has been using gt units live as well. The sounds he was getting from the gt100 were great, he probably has switched to the gt1k now though.
 
COSM sounded like an amp with a blanket in front of it. They seemed to just use different EQ presets for other amp 'models' and not any kind of component-level modeling. It was also non-dynamic, and only good for either dead clean sounds or super distorted sounds with tons of effects. Boss' effects were great. Hopefully they learned more about amp modeling over the years (I haven't tried their newer generation GTs yet).
 
The problem with COSM was that boss drive sounds had a synthesizer sound about them, the kind you would find in their roland synth unit. That & the lack of development in the algos gave it a bad rep all the way up to the gt10. The gt100 was an improvement but not enough to pick it over some other brand unit in terms of amp modeling alone. The GT1000 they actually ended up using much better hardware to support higher resolution algos, that helped big time. I can hear the boss sound character present in it but that's because I'm very familiar with their sounds, it's not synthy sounding anymore but each of these brands have a characteristic sound signature that some get drawn towards.

However, it's a much better unit compared to the old ones for amp modeling, they recently released the smaller version of it called Core. The price difference between the two isn't big enough to not choose the bigger one where I live. For a performing artist the gt units have always been reliable & feature rich, enough to get even the older COSM tech workable with additional hardware. For a recording artist, while it can work I'm not sure if boss would be my first choice cause there are more options now that don't cost alot. Gundy Keller had a vid of his old & new setup using the Bluguitar amps, his gt10 sounds were nice, sadly the gt1k was not properly routed, he might have put up new vids featuring the new unit more.

Johnny Marr has been using gt units live as well. The sounds he was getting from the gt100 were great, he probably has switched to the gt1k now though.

Like any of the units, its all about knowing how to dial them in.

On the 100 (and apparently this continues with the 1000), you want to use the "origin" cab for each amp. I don't know if it was in the original Gt100 or if origin cabs came in the v2 update.

Origin cabs are a completely different (raw) sound than the 1x12,2x12, etc cabs. They may even be based on IRs. You have to use the 10-band EQ to knock off high end and control the bass. Mid gain tones are in there too, you have to use one of the compressors to keep the guitar in the sweet spot of gain.

The EQ sweep is incredibly sensitive, so unless you are in the sweet spot for EQ, it can sound harsh, grainy, bright, or boomy.

This is why I haven't upgraded to the 1000. People say its much better, but I think those same people didn't dial in the 100. The sounds I get are nearly identical to demos I've heard of the 1000. I think they made the 1000 more user friendly (less rope to hang yourself with) and gave it higher specs (better adacs, 32 bit internal). Of course it sounds better, but to my ears it is exactly to same amp modeling but with better EQ and higher quality reverb/room sim.
 
Hmm, yeah, I didn't use the 100 for years before switching, oh wait, I did... With any modeler I never use any factory presets, I always start mine from scratch, the person that wrote the preset doesn't play like I do, and doesn't "work" like I do.

Is the 1000 better, yes, the new models are really good, is it a night and day difference, no, it's still a modeler. I still love analog and enjoy playing through my AMT preamp and some pedals as much or more a lot of the time, and I wish I had a place to use a tube amp, but neither is as versatile of a setup.
 
Hmm, yeah, I didn't use the 100 for years before switching, oh wait, I did... With any modeler I never use any factory presets, I always start mine from scratch, the person that wrote the preset doesn't play like I do, and doesn't "work" like I do.

Is the 1000 better, yes, the new models are really good, is it a night and day difference, no, it's still a modeler. I still love analog and enjoy playing through my AMT preamp and some pedals as much or more a lot of the time, and I wish I had a place to use a tube amp, but neither is as versatile of a setup.

I picked up a 1000 tonight at local GC. Have both the 100 and 1000 in my possession. Probably won't get to play it until tomorrow night.

What is sad about it, was that I was playing with the floor model for 15 minutes and almost walked out without buying it, even though I know they have a generous return policy. I kept thinking "This is the same damn thing as the 100, except with smaller text." What boggles the mind is that this came out three years after the Helix, and its basically the same UI as the 100 with a few added features. I understand that they are recouping their investment from prior R&D, and this makes it easy to put it in other devices like the Core, and probably a GT-1 successor. But c'mon.

From tweaking in the store, what I DISLIKE is that when you are scrolling through a list of effects to select one, it doesn't show you a LIST, so you have to remember what order they are in. On the 100 it shows you a pop up list. And all the text is just plain small, just so they can show you a larger portion of the chain. The GT100, everything was larger, easier to read, but you only got to see a small window on the chain.

The Helix doesn't get a pass either. I spent about ten minutes with the Helix LT and its another level of UI complexity. I admit I am familiar with Boss GT, but the Helix has multiple unneccesary controls and weird context switching. Sometimes you are interacting with the chain, sometimes there is a drop down. When the drop down appears, its completely unintuitive how you interact with it. Its like getting in a car and seeing a flight stick instead of a steering wheel. Its just a car, don't pretend you're a fighter jet.

That said, if they are equal price, I don't see anyone picking the GT1000 over the Helix based on aesthetics alone. The Helix hardware gives the illusion that it is more tweakable, but the UI is just unnessarily complex. I spent a month with Helix Native and I wouldn't say the Helix is any more tweakable than the GT. Those devils raised the price $200 since the LT came out 3-4 years ago. I have no idea what they are smoking.
 
So is the 100 and the 1000 essentially the same software with different hardware? Why would someone own both?
 
So is the 100 and the 1000 essentially the same software with different hardware? Why would someone own both?

The 1000 is the evolution of the 100. Its sad how little work was put into the UI. It had better sound alot better if I am to keep this, or I will be looking at Fractal.
 
The 1000 is the evolution of the 100. Its sad how little work was put into the UI. It had better sound alot better if I am to keep this, or I will be looking at Fractal.

Gotcha. I haven't kept up with their evolution. Boss was never known for their UI over the years, even if they had some cool stuff now and then.
 
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