Floyd Rose Stone Tone Tremolo Blocks

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In my moderately educated mind, I can understand that adding mass/weight will help. What still confuses me is how something lighter, such as Ti, can make the difference..??

I have the same question, we have a materials engineer here, but I doubt she could explain how Ti would make a difference tone wise. If I get a chance later I will ask Adam Reiver at fu-tone since he is the one who pretty much started the Ti thing.
 
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Apparently I was posting at the same time as Stonetone. I have to say that I'm not sure what the natural vs man-made comparison means. Just because something has been "man-made" doesn't make it bad, again, since we are talking about this subjective "tone" thing. Are you saying that the atoms in the granite are more free to vibrate since they haven't been melted down and put under pressure? Granite was formed by millions of years of high pressure. I will give you that heating and forming metals does change their molecular structure, that's why it's hard to control dimensions tightly on weldments, the metal tends to stress relieve in the areas that get heated from the welding process. But again, my take is that I can see the benefits of using a larger granite or machined brass trem block over the standard thin steel ones, especially the pot metal ones that are on a lot of trems out there. But what about a larger machined steel block, my "instinct" tells me that would also increase sustain, although steel would likely make the tone brighter, but I can't give you a scientific explanation why without research, and I have enough work that I should be doing right now on my plate that I don't have time for that kind of research.

I will say that probably the best thing you can do to improve your tone, assuming that you have a good basic setup (guitar, amp, etc...) is to practice. Pups, blocks, strings, etc... are small incremental improvements, none of them will be life changing unless of course you are playing single coils, in which case you really need to install humbucker (just kidding!!!! : popworm: ).
 
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Apparently I was posting at the same time as Stonetone. I have to say that I'm not sure what the natural vs man-made comparison means. Just because something has been "man-made" doesn't make it bad, again, since we are talking about this subjective "tone" thing. Are you saying that the atoms in the granite are more free to vibrate since they haven't been melted down and put under pressure? Granite was formed by millions of years of high pressure. I will give you that heating and forming metals does change their molecular structure, that's why it's hard to control dimensions tightly on weldments, the metal tends to stress relieve in the areas that get heated from the welding process. But again, my take is that I can see the benefits of using a larger granite or machined brass trem block over the standard thin steel ones, especially the pot metal ones that are on a lot of trems out there. But what about a larger machined steel block, my "instinct" tells me that would also increase sustain, although steel would likely make the tone brighter, but I can't give you a scientific explanation why without research, and I have enough work that I should be doing right now on my plate that I don't have time for that kind of research.

I will say that probably the best thing you can do to improve your tone, assuming that you have a good basic setup (guitar, amp, etc...) is to practice. Pups, blocks, strings, etc... are small incremental improvements, none of them will be life changing unless of course you are playing single coils, in which case you really need to install humbucker (just kidding!!!! : popworm: ).

Please don't think I was implying that any of the metal blocks are bad by any means whatsoever, yet I was explaining in short of the different physical properties of both mineral compositions Natural to man-made and how they both react to pressure and vibration based on the natural aspect of these 2 minerals and how they are produced.

I have a vast background of research from 2001 with my first prototype, a Dean Cadillac and many many more instruments I've completed to solidify this technology as a valid one for all stringed musical instruments comprised of a bridge system than the current Rock blocks I manufacture now.

But when I completed the piano bridges, thats when things got deep in the science side of things and where I really acquired the majority of my knowledge scientifically as a result on how and why the Stone Tone effect works from several sources in the private sector as well as Nasa Geo Physicists Dr. Robert C Youngquist and DR. Stanley Starr who I collaborated with in which both gentleman confirmed that the chosen granite we use based on its mineral composition is the best transducer you could use for this patented and trademarked process.
 
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I'm looking at my kitchen counter top and thinking how much dough I could make by chopping it up into tiny blocks!
 
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I'm not a floyd user by any stretch, as I have just never gotten around to buying a guitar with one yet. I do have one question though..

I have always heard heavier trem blocks made better tone and sustain, but where harder to play, like heavy vs light strings do.

Steel: 490-494 lbs/ft^3
Titianium: 283.39 lbs/ft^3
Aluminium: 168 lbs/ft^3
Granite: 170 lbs/ft^3

Could we hear tone samples of a granite against a Aluminum block in the same guitar? It would be a fairly even comparison of the resonance properties of both.

I'm surprised it's light weight hasn't come up at all in what I have read of this thread.
 
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Apparently I was posting at the same time as Stonetone. I have to say that I'm not sure what the natural vs man-made comparison means. Just because something has been "man-made" doesn't make it bad, again, since we are talking about this subjective "tone" thing.

Yes we do have to be very careful here. The implication that anything in its natural state has a superior vibration to something that is modified is certainly not something that would have been backed by science. And the 'sales pitch' part of the implication gets a bit wearying too. Everything has its own natural resonace, and some will work better for the frequencies guitars operate in, with or without the hand of man involved.

And metals are found in natural forms that makes for poorer strength and less overal 'resonance'. To make it stronger and even usable in the situation we find ourselves in here the 'impurities' must be removed, and often other elements alloyed.

OP - just calm down with the sales rhetoric here. Continued hyperbole just increases skepticism.
 
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Tonight, it's home made NYC style pizza with no shortage of Jalapeños..:banana:
Working all these blocks, answering many emails and questions make for a good reason to break out my recipe to make a pie you can't buy any where locally here in Naples.

AlexR, unfortunately this product is still very new to many that don't understand it. I answer the the questions as thorough and accurate as possible. My answers are not directed to demean any person or competitors product(s). Folks will draw their own conclusions in their own capacity which I cannot control yet the facts are the facts. There's so much information posted on this thread now that hopefully it helps many curious guitarists answer some of their curiosities. Thanks for your suggestions. Now, it's dinner time !
 
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Why did I look at that, pepperoni and jalapenos, yum. Now I'm starving!
 
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My wife really likes Jalapeno and Pineapple. She says it improves the taste of regular pizzas by at least 30%!
 
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Here's what I believe is happening:

The increased mass combined with the softer lead alloy contact surfaces serve to dampen stray resonance through the block and springs. This results in more vibration directed through the pivot posts (explains the louder unplugged sound and more vibration felt through the body), reduced stray harmonics (hence the "clearer" sound) and a subtle brightening of the tone (which will make it feel more open and dynamic).

I looked into this a bit more yesterday and I realized that Granite is neither as heavy or as dense as the typical Brass and Zinc type blocks of the same size.

However, most common grades of aluminum actually have a density that is nearly identical to Granite.

Makes me wonder what kind of results softer lead alloy inserts in an aluminum block would yield compared to the Granite. Granted, it's not quite as cool as having a rock in your guitar, but I have to wonder if the changes wouldn't be similar...

:scratchch
 
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My wife really likes Jalapeno and Pineapple. She says it improves the taste of regular pizzas by at least 30%!

Is that so? :lmao:
This pie was so good I managed to eat 30% more polishing off the whole thing.. And some Grolsh to wash em down...
I am not a dominos or papa johns fan.. :earl:
 
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I looked into this a bit more yesterday and I realized that Granite is neither as heavy or as dense as the typical Brass and Zinc type blocks of the same size.

However, most common grades of aluminum actually have a density that is nearly identical to Granite.

Makes me wonder what kind of results softer lead alloy inserts in an aluminum block would yield compared to the Granite. Granted, it's not quite as cool as having a rock in your guitar, but I have to wonder if the changes wouldn't be similar...

:scratchch
This is kind of what I touched on in my post

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I looked into this a bit more yesterday and I realized that Granite is neither as heavy or as dense as the typical Brass and Zinc type blocks of the same size.

However, most common grades of aluminum actually have a density that is nearly identical to Granite.

Makes me wonder what kind of results softer lead alloy inserts in an aluminum block would yield compared to the Granite. Granted, it's not quite as cool as having a rock in your guitar, but I have to wonder if the changes wouldn't be similar...

:scratchch


I haven't heard of any other aftermarket companies that offer trem blocks manufactured in Aluminum.. Have you?
I replaced a Strat block for a customer who had made a aluminum block for himself and wanted a over sized Rock block to match.
The results of that aluminum block he made wasn't even comparable after installing his Stone Tone string thru block...
This was one of our customers that wanted the whole block polished and his name laserd on the spring hole side.
As far as the inserts go, they have no effect on performance since the area width by length of the flatness from one media to another is where the initial string energies resonate with each other.

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This was a inexpensive strat replacement tremolo that I installed a Rock on and you can see where the holes thru the base plate had as I call mick jagger lips.
When the holes were punched @ the factory there we're almost .035 of lippage where if I installed the block like that then there would have been no where near the contact.
So I leveled the baseplate perfectly flat prior to installation.
This is so critical to performance, so when you guys do the install always check for flatness of your baseplate because the contact between both medias is extremely important.


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That's a licensed Floyd. By your second picture, it looks like we might have that upgrade. is this the block that's in there now?

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The specs say : Ibanez Edge Zero II-7, just that. There is nothing "floyd" stamped on it, and it is different design than my floyds (better IMO). The block has nothing stamped on it, IIRC. Here are more pics of this :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ibanez-Univ...594471?hash=item3d1616bee7:g:xMIAAOSwd4tULOS9

Another consideration : Granite seems to be electrically conductive. Will the resistance be low enough to act as a conductor between control circuit and bridge?
 
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The specs say : Ibanez Edge Zero II-7, just that. There is nothing "floyd" stamped on it, and it is different design than my floyds (better IMO). The block has nothing stamped on it, IIRC. Here are more pics of this :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ibanez-Univ...594471?hash=item3d1616bee7:g:xMIAAOSwd4tULOS9

Another consideration : Granite seems to be electrically conductive. Will the resistance be low enough to act as a conductor between control circuit and bridge?

I looked at the link and other pics and can't determine if the bar assembly or collar mounts in the block or is it isolated from the block?
 
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