Gibson SG faded or Epiphone Les Paul

Re: Gibson SG faded or Epiphone Les Paul

Haven't read through this entire thread so I hope no one has mentioned this but Gibson Faded series are made in China. On the hardware and electronics are added and wired in USA, which I is enough for them to advertise it as MIA.
 
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Fender_Punk said:
Haven't read through this entire thread so I hope no one has mentioned this but Gibson Faded series are made in China. On the hardware and electronics are added and wired in USA, which I is enough for them to advertise it as MIA.
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customer: So, this guitar is made in the U.S., too?
salesperson: Yes, that's right -- made in the U.S. of domestic and imported components.
customer: Imported components.
salesperson: Yes, imported components.
customer: Such as?
salesperson: Well, the guitar, for one...

True or not, I love my Faded V.
 
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Jessie Sammler said:
customer: So, this guitar is made in the U.S., too?
salesperson: Yes, that's right -- made in the U.S. of domestic and imported components.
customer: Imported components.
salesperson: Yes, imported components.
customer: Such as?
salesperson: Well, the guitar, for one...

True or not, I love my Faded V.
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:D

A good guitarist will sound good with a medium priced guitar. A bad guitarist with sound bad with a high priced guitar.
 
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Andrew Lamprecht said:
:D

A good guitarist will sound good with a medium priced guitar. A bad guitarist with sound bad with a high priced guitar.
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I guess if you're a good guitarist, it makes sense to limit yourself to sounding good instead of great.
 
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Jessie Sammler said:
customer: So, this guitar is made in the U.S., too?
salesperson: Yes, that's right -- made in the U.S. of domestic and imported components.
customer: Imported components.
salesperson: Yes, imported components.
customer: Such as?
salesperson: Well, the guitar, for one...

True or not, I love my Faded V.
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I'm not saying great guitars don't come out of China, I got a couple I like, but Jessie has it right, and I think it's dishonest for guitar companies to pass off an instrument as "Made in USA" when only 30% of it is US parts assembled by US workers. But few if any want to pay $800 for a "Chinese made" guitar.
 
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Fender_Punk said:
I'm not saying great guitars don't come out of China, I got a couple I like, but Jessie has it right, and I think it's dishonest for guitar companies to pass off an instrument as "Made in USA" when only 30% of it is US parts assembled by US workers. But few if any want to pay $800 for a "Chinese made" guitar.
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Come to think of it, I did think it was strange to see a USA Gibson for so far under a grand. I mean, I paid $649 for mine, which was $50 more than I paid for my B-stock Epi LP Custom just a couple of years before.

I loved that Epiphone at first, but now I've outgrown it and turned it into a science project. The Sino-American V blows it away and sounds better to my ears every time I play it. If the Chinese built the neck/body core, good on them.

Ever wonder if they'll find a country where they can build stuff even cheaper than in China?
 
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Jessie Sammler said:
Yeah, there's that, too. Find somebody who's a college music professor, or who plays in an orchestra, and ask them how much a professional violin, cello, etc. costs.
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You can't compare people who's career & life revolve around performing orchestral music for the upper class, to the average forum member, many of which don't play out, and those that do, usually play in smokey bars with bad acoustics and inebriated audiences of questionable moral character. The two have nothing in common.

For a play-at-home-only guitarist to spend more on guitars & amps, than he did on his car, is usually a little impractical if he's got a wife & family to support.
 
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Jessie Sammler said:
I guess if you're a good guitarist, it makes sense to limit yourself to sounding good instead of great.
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I've seen great players use someone's piece-of-crap entry-level guitar with a horrible action, and sound fantastic with fingers flying. Like I said before, if you can't play to your potential with a mid-priced guitar, you ain't that good.
 
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blueman335 said:
I've seen great players use someone's piece-of-crap entry-level guitar with a horrible action, and sound fantastic with fingers flying. Like I said before, if you can't play to your potential with a mid-priced guitar, you ain't that good.
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i totally agree.

after a certain (moderate) price point, most guitars are very formidable.
 
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KMK,

ive played both models.

the SG is a good guitar, but is very bare. No fancy binding or finish.

the epiphone les paul is also a good guitar, but ive played awesome ones and awful ones, so you run the risk.

if you can try them side by side, go ahead.
 
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blueman335 said:
Like I said before, if you can't play to your potential with a mid-priced guitar, you ain't that good.
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Who said you had to be? If you play at home as a hobby and you're spending your own money, what guitar police are going to put a cap on how nice a guitar you can have?

Besides, you don't have to be great to appreciate the difference between guitars. I'm not a great player by any means, but I like the way I sound on some guitars more than others. Some guitars just respond better to the way I like to play. If you sound better playing one guitar as opposed to another, you sound better.

If I like one of those guitars, and it costs three weeks' salary, but I can afford it, shouldn't I buy it -- even though some people are going to tell me not to, because it isn't worth it? If I fell in love with a mid-priced guitar and could afford it, shouldn't I buy it -- even though some people are going to tell me not to, because it isn't that great?
 
Re: Gibson SG faded or Epiphone Les Paul

Fender_Punk said:
Haven't read through this entire thread so I hope no one has mentioned this but Gibson Faded series are made in China. On the hardware and electronics are added and wired in USA, which I is enough for them to advertise it as MIA.
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Evidence?
 
Re: Gibson SG faded or Epiphone Les Paul

blueman335 said:
You can't compare people who's career & life revolve around performing orchestral music for the upper class, to the average forum member, many of which don't play out, and those that do, usually play in smokey bars with bad acoustics and inebriated audiences of questionable moral character.
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Yeah, I can, and I did. You seem to be implying that the working classes don't earn as much money as the well-heeled stereotypical classical music fan and therefore don't deserve to be entertained by professional musicians who use professional tools or care about the sounds that their instruments produce.

blueman335 said:
The two have nothing in common.
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They're both about human beings playing music that they are passionate about. What's wrong with both of them wanting nice instruments and the best tone they can get?

blueman335 said:
For a play-at-home-only guitarist to spend more on guitars & amps, than he did on his car, is usually a little impractical if he's got a wife & family to support.
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You're assuming a lot on behalf of the average forum member. Besides, we're talking about one guitar, under two grand. Since when does that cost anywhere near what the family car did?
 
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I've got to add, blueman, I do like sparring with you. You're always insightful and respectful as you're hurtling your rhetoric around the forum battlefields.
 
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^No, but low income tax, virtually no payroll tax falls on you and you get a hell of an estate tax when you die and leave everything to a small Chihuahua named "Mr. Tiddlywinks".
 
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