Greenbacks for higher gain?

[xxxplorer]

I scored a mojotone 2x12 blues breaker extension cab for next to nothing and I'm thinking of trying some greenbacks or at least something more 'vintage like' in it.

My amp's a seminar egnater head. 50 watts. Is it pushing it to run a 50 watt amp into just 50 watts of speakers?

I've got a cab with my more powerful speakers already, so I just want a new flavor.

 

[JeffB]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

Depends on what you mean by higher gain....

 

[MasterKtulu]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

YES!

 

[metlking]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

My Egnater seminar head sounds great with Greenbacks, but I have 4 in my cabinet! I find that head doesn't like high gain pickups though.....tends to get compressed real quick! Still an exciting experience to build it!!!

 

[xxxplorer]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

Yeah, I've changed some cap values in the first gain stage to clear mine up a bit.

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

The new Celestion Creambacks are a prime choice these days. The WGS Retro 30 is another great speaker.

 

[Zombiwoof]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

The new Celestion Creambacks are a prime choice these days. The WGS Retro 30 is another great speaker.

There's two verisons of the new Creambacks, a 30 watt and 65 watt, both 75hz. Obviously, the 65 watter will take more power, but is supposed to sound similar to the lower power Greenbacks.

Al

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

Depends on what type of high gain playing. They work great for shredding. Not so so great for chugga chugga playing.

 

[xxxplorer]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

I will try some out before I buy. Listening to clips, my ears are telling me a good 25 watter is what I'd want. The creambacks are sounding too fat to me and I've got my cab for big lows.

Right now the cab has some Emi Screamin Eagles in there and they are sounding VERY good actually. I'm in no big rush at the moment to swap. I never would have thought to even look at these speakers, but I got the cab loaded with them for $100.00. Stupid good deal.

 

[trevorus]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

WHUTS A IGNOBLE SEMINAL AMP?

I agree with LPB. I have a greenback clone from WGS that is in my plexi combo. It's not great and handling fat transients, though it is in an open back cab. That will make a bit of difference on the low end. That said, still they are better for singing, not chugging.

 

[Animal]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

There's two verisons of the new Creambacks, a 30 watt and 65 watt, both 75hz. Obviously, the 65 watter will take more power, but is supposed to sound similar to the lower power Greenbacks.

Actually, the two new creamback models only come in 65 watt and 75 watt versions:

G12M-65: http://celestion.com/product/123/g12m65_creamback/
G12H-75: http://celestion.com/product/141/g12h75_creamback/

The 75 watt version would seem a better fit for tight high-gain. Who knows how similar it would sound to a greenback though. It's a tweaked version of a speaker inspired by another speaker. Adding more to the guesswork, the G12-65 is also supposed to sound kind of like a high powered greenback.

Damn you celestion for giving us even more options to ponder over!!! The greenback is the 'chasing the dragon' equivalent of guitar speakers. It never ends.

 

[Animal]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

Upon some snooping around on Google, the creamback 75 is supposed to sound like a punchier version of a Heritage 75hz which is a G12H-30 reissue (hence the H magnet). So a G12M 'Greenback' tone it ain't. And it shows in this demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du5sn1wtZWA

 

[ken361]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

Eminence GB legend 50 watts are great speakers

 

[p4vl]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

Depends on what type of high gain playing. They work great for shredding. Not so so great for chugga chugga playing.

Supposedly, Machine Head's Burn My Eyes was a 5150 into a Marshall cab with Greenbacks. That album is chugga.

 

[Zombiwoof]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

Actually, the two new creamback models only come in 65 watt and 75 watt versions:

G12M-65: http://celestion.com/product/123/g12m65_creamback/
G12H-75: http://celestion.com/product/141/g12h75_creamback/

The 75 watt version would seem a better fit for tight high-gain. Who knows how similar it would sound to a greenback though. It's a tweaked version of a speaker inspired by another speaker. Adding more to the guesswork, the G12-65 is also supposed to sound kind of like a high powered greenback.

Damn you celestion for giving us even more options to ponder over!!! The greenback is the 'chasing the dragon' equivalent of guitar speakers. It never ends.

You're right, I had recently seen a link to the new Creambacks and thought one was a 30 watter, but my memory turned out to be wrong!. Thanks for the clarification.

Al

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

Supposedly, Machine Head's Burn My Eyes was a 5150 into a Marshall cab with Greenbacks. That album is chugga.

I can see that through a closed back 4x12.

 

[JeffB]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

when it comes to all the weirdness of G12M and G12H (whether GB25s, 70AnniH30s, or the Heritage H25/30s, etc) you can figure that

M(edium)- Mag, more high mids, less bass slightly more presence..woodier/more cut

H(eavy)Mag- more lows, less high mids, slightly less presence..overall beefier, but a smoother EQ...

I suspect the Creambacks would follow suit. Historically the 65 had a tighter crunchier midrange, less toppy and more bassy and tight than a GB/BB 25...but in the same family. like a GB on Steroids.

That said, my experience is mostly with closed backs. Back in the mid/late 1980s I had a late 70s JMP 2204 combo (MV)-whatever that model is- with 2x12 BB25s (SimonF has the same one). Way too much midrange and not enough beef for me, I ran the amp through my 4X12 (65s). Amp was glorious like that.

 

[ItsaBass]

Re: Greenbacks for higher gain?

I'd go with "beefed up" greenbacks, like a pair of the 50W Eminence Legend GB-128's. I love the one I have. Nice greenback tone, but handles more power.