greenbacks/marshall 1960

[Lake Placid Blues]

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I liked the EVH for one reason it sounded smooth, and the Marshall for its sparkle. Once I get some speakers in there i should be good

You may really like all G12H30's then. The G12H30 has a little more sparkle up top than G12M's, and it has tighter punchier lows. Go find a G12H loaded cab and see what you think. Maybe a G12M G12H mix?

 

[ken361]

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I just placed an ad on craigs, so will see what happens with this first. I think anything will be better the 4 stock speakers

 

[YellowJacket]

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^^ The G12-65 is close to a G12M GB but has less breakup. It may be a bit darker and even a bit smoother.



For what it's worth EVH says he has always prefered and used G12M GB's. Specifically the G12M20. The new EVH G12M is the Heritage G12M20 (It still handles 25) with stripes. The G12M's bottom end is okay in closed back cabs. I can get enough "thump" for me from my 4x12 when loaded with G12M's.

Depends on the amp you are running, I guess. When I run my Dual with a G12m loaded cab, it just can't handle the huge bass. Gotta turn down the bass though, considering that a guitar is a midrange instrument. The Greenies also sound good at very low volumes which makes them great for volume sensitive situations. I've always wanted the Marshall 1960ax angled 4 x 12.

I hear that the G12m Heritage have more creamy mids with less high end sparkle. My current 2 x 12 has a G12m Heritage and a Hellatone 60L. My next one will have a stock v30 and G12m - 25 so I can do some comparisons . . .

 

[ken361]

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what ohm are the stock marshall g12t75? I have a 412 cab 1960 plugged in a 16ohm jack then the 16ohm head

 

[YellowJacket]

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As far as I've seen, celestion speakers are available in 4, 8, and 16 ohms but in a Marshall 1960a they are most likely 8 ohms each. (wired up with series parallel wiring)

 

[ken361]

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1960b cab, only way to tell is by the wiring?

 

[YellowJacket]

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Well, there are two ways to figure out the ohmage of the speakers.

1) open up the back of the cab and look

2) look at the ohmage the cab is rated for (most likely 8 ohms) and the wiring scheme to figure it out. Parallel divides ohmage by two and series adds ohmage. So two speakers wired in Parallel have half of the ohmage as each individual speaker does and two speakers wired in series have double the ohmage. 4 x 12s, for instance, are typically wired in series parallel. SO you have two series loops connected in parallel to the speaker jack. The net result is that the ohmage rating of the cab is the same as the speakers in the cab.

 

[ken361]

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theres a 4 and a 16 ohm jacks in the back if that helps! thanks!!

 

[YellowJacket]

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theres a 4 and a 16 ohm jacks in the back if that helps! thanks!!

Weird. Is it too much work to yank the back panel off and have a look/see? That would be the definitive test. I'm not even sure how a 4 and 16 ohm jack would be wired into a 4 x 12. If you had 16 ohm speakers, series parallel wiring would be 16 ohms and parallel wiring would yield 4 ohms but I think trying to combine these wiring schemes wouldn't be feasible. Is there a switch on the jack plate? I'd suggest having a look! It isn't too much work to pull out 16 or so wood screws.

 

[ken361]

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stereo and mono switch think its a 1990's cab 300 watt cab,dont have my screwdriver charged now will have to check

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

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The speakers in Marshall 4x12's are usually 16 ohm.

 

[YellowJacket]

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From what I've seen, Marshall 1960 Vintage and 1960ac /ax (100watt) are 16 ohms and the 1960a (300watt) is 8ohms.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

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The 75's I had in 300 watt cab were 16 ohm.

Depends on the amp you are running, I guess. When I run my Dual with a G12m loaded cab, it just can't handle the huge bass. Gotta turn down the bass though

I don't mean to imply that the GB's are well suited for heavy style playing. I like em with KT66 JTM45's not because they handle the bass well, but because they reproduce those frequencies less. With Kt66's and that amp I usually don't run the bass knob much above 3 and its still ample. They are less likely to be a bit flubby in a closed back compartment than opened back. GB's in a 4x12 are great for shredding and classic rock power chording.

 

[YellowJacket]

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The 75's I had in 300 watt cab were 16 ohm.

This is why I say to open up the cab and check. You just never know.

I don't mean to imply that the GB's are well suited for heavy style playing. I like em with KT66 JTM45's not because they handle the bass well, but because they reproduce those frequencies less. With Kt66's and that amp I usually don't run the bass knob much above 3 and its still ample. They are less likely to be a bit flubby in a closed back compartment than opened back. GB's in a 4x12 are great for shredding and classic rock power chording.

Some guy over at grailtone is running a fullstack with two greenback equipped 4 x 12s. He swears that it does a killer metal tone.

I agree with you though, nothing sounds as creamy and crunchy as Greenbacks and I absolutely love the vintage vibe of the 1960ax Marshall 4 x 12. In a perfect world, I would have an arsenal of guitars, amps, and cabs to choose from depending on my needs as a guitarist.

 

[MetalManiac]

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Well, there are two ways to figure out the ohmage of the speakers.

1) open up the back of the cab and look

2) look at the ohmage the cab is rated for (most likely 8 ohms) and the wiring scheme to figure it out. Parallel divides ohmage by two and series adds ohmage. So two speakers wired in Parallel have half of the ohmage as each individual speaker does and two speakers wired in series have double the ohmage. 4 x 12s, for instance, are typically wired in series parallel. SO you have two series loops connected in parallel to the speaker jack. The net result is that the ohmage rating of the cab is the same as the speakers in the cab.

What are going to determine by looking in the cabinet? Do you know exactly the way each possible wiring combination looks? It certainly doesnt say anything about the "ohmage"( impedance). The real way to check if you aren't 100% certain, and you need to cause you could end up frying the output transformers on your amp, is to insert a plug into the speaker output jack and take a reading with a meter. Also, the impedance for a typical Marshall 1960 cab. is 16 Ohms, which means you have 4 x 16 ohms speakers wired in series parallel, I believe. The best way to wire a cabinet is to find some speaker cabinet wiring diagrams , like on the Celestion website.
Thers a big to-do about whether or not the typical wiring scheme Celestion offers really sounds the best or not.

 

[ken361]

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my speakers dont says the ohms when i looked at it last summer when I opened it up. they are the english ones. One of my Mullards was pussing out so i replaced it and it sounds better whoo hoo! A guy on craiges selling 2 for 130 gotta check the ohms though

 

[MetalManiac]

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I recently scored a quad of those g12-65s on craigslist for $150 bucks... I sold 2 for 250 bucks and kept 2 for a bluesbreaker style 2x12 to compliment my earcandy with green machines...

BUY USED LOL

Buying used speakers is a huge crapshoot unless you can test them first. Now that ebay poilicies favor buyers, its not too bad, as long as you try them right away and send them back if they are no good, which according to my experience is a fairly good chance.
The more skill you have on ebay the beetr you are able to avert any bad buying decisions.
I really dont think you shouldve sold those 2 '65's unless you really needed to.
A 4x12 G12-65 cabinet is one of the most amazing quintessential rock sounds of all time, although I had a buddy with a 2x12/ g12-65 cabinet and it sounded fantastic with his 18 watt Marshall cloned head.

 

[ken361]

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Buying used speakers is a huge crapshoot unless you can test them first. Now that ebay poilicies favor buyers, its not too bad, as long as you try them right away and send them back if they are no good, which according to my experience is a fairly good chance.
The more skill you have on ebay the beetr you are able to avert any bad buying decisions.
I really dont think you shouldve sold those 2 '65's unless you really needed to.
A 4x12 G12-65 cabinet is one of the most amazing quintessential rock sounds of all time, although I had a buddy with a 2x12/ g12-65 cabinet and it sounded fantastic with his 18 watt Marshall cloned head.

someone on the marshall board said this
G12-65 or a G12H-30. shiiiat 205 bucks for the 65, said the green back wont be warmer but read that people say it is warmer

 

[ken361]

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Buying used speakers is a huge crapshoot unless you can test them first. Now that ebay poilicies favor buyers, its not too bad, as long as you try them right away and send them back if they are no good, which according to my experience is a fairly good chance.
The more skill you have on ebay the beetr you are able to avert any bad buying decisions.
I really dont think you shouldve sold those 2 '65's unless you really needed to.
A 4x12 G12-65 cabinet is one of the most amazing quintessential rock sounds of all time, although I had a buddy with a 2x12/ g12-65 cabinet and it sounded fantastic with his 18 watt Marshall cloned head.

I hear ya on the used thing, the store I was at said 110 each.

 

[YellowJacket]

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my speakers dont says the ohms when i looked at it last summer when I opened it up. they are the english ones. One of my Mullards was pussing out so i replaced it and it sounds better whoo hoo! A guy on craiges selling 2 for 130 gotta check the ohms though

They don't say all the relevant information on the label affixed to the magnet on the back? DAMN, looks like you're going to have to get a meter and test it. It is definitely well worth looking into so you don't cook your head.

I haven't had any trouble 'yet' with used speakers. Well, that isn't entirely true. I picked up a Used 4 x 12 JCM 800 straight cab and it had been kept in a damp basement. One of the coils cooked within days but L&MQ replaced it for me. Other than that, I've done well so far with the used thing. Just use buyer discretion. It is best to stick with the *new* or *Like New* or *I had these but never used them* type sales. You can usually get the speakers for half the cost of buying them at a store. Definitely a good idea to test stuff though.